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Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
“A person who imitates another is in a very real sense acting in the person of another, rather than in the presence of another.”
In the previous verse, 15, Paul says the Corinthians had many tutors but few fathers “en”, in Christ.
There were actually two contrasts, tutors and fathers, the many and the few. Nothing about the Corinthians “merely listening” but rather Paul's fatherly treatment of the Corinthians versus how a tutor might.
While Paul COULD say he was acting in place of, or in stead of Christ, that is not the meaning of the word “en”.
Nor is it what Paul said at 2 Cor. 2:10, his ability or authority to forgive sins was not the context but rather his willingness to follow the decision of the Corinthians.
I really envy you on seeing some of the catacombs. On my bucket list along with a tour of Cathedrals.
Which of course Jesus referenced as a type of Christ..look in faith and be saved.. and now the rest of the story
That bronze serpent was taken with the people when they entered the land of Canaan, they turned it into an idol. Finally King Hezekiah finally had it destroyed destroyed it (2 Kings 18:4). here we can see that even something God used in a miracle..something that foreshadowed Christ can become a false god, an idol
the ark of the covenant, and the cherubim.
The ark was a type of Christ ... it was a replica of the ark in heaven.. and men were not to worship that or the tabernacle which housed God Himself
God Himself used images to reveal Himself and convey specific messages.
Indeed He did, He ordered them and directed their construction.. that is not true of the icons or idols in discussion here.
Catholic iconography expresses in images the same Gospel message that Scripture communicates by words.
Like???? Statues of the queen of heaven?
Image and word illuminate and compliment each other. Both are inspired by the Holy Spirit.
They may be spirit inspired , but I am not sure it is the Holy Spirit.. Satan loves to have man take their eyes off of Christ and all the while think they are honoring Him..
I always learn something from your posts.
Thanks, brother...
“I’m not sure it is the Holy Spirit”
I appreciate that you “aren’t sure”. That indicates to me that you do not know beyond the shadow of a doubt.
Too often people make attempts to pronounce judgment on what they cannot know for certain.
There is one thing we are both sure of and that is that Christ is our Savior. Differences in doctrine and arguments over what amounts to punctuation between fellow Christians are really silly when all Christians face true evil in this world.
I know how the Holy Spirit has spoken and continues to speak to me. I am not going to be so bold or sure of myself to state that the Holy Spirit speaks to everyone else exactly the same way. I can accept that the God may tailor His message to the billions of Christians and lost souls around the world separated by distance, culture, language and by thousands of years.
These debates are fun but not definitive. Nothing is settled by them except that we can all testify what we believe. It is far more important that we testify THAT be believe in Jesus and His saving powers than HOW we claim it is accomplished. God Bless you.
If the worship of relics, icons, statues is somehow permitted for Christians and inspired by the holy spirit then that seems to have strangely overlooked in the NT, in fact what discussion there is is condemnatory as at Acts 17:29,
“Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.”
How true.
You speak for me as well.
Do not confuse them with context
I am not sure we have the same definition of the words
To Catholics Jesus died to make open the gates of heaven so men could save themselves..
To those of us that would say we are born again, we literally mean Christ is our Savior. There is not one thing we could or can do to be saved.. it is all Mercy and Grace
So although we say the same words we do not mean the same thing
I know how the Holy Spirit has spoken and continues to speak to me. I am not going to be so bold or sure of myself to state that the Holy Spirit speaks to everyone else exactly the same way. I can accept that the God may tailor His message to the billions of Christians and lost souls around the world separated by distance, culture, language and by thousands of years.
I am always distrustful of anyone that says "God told me"..I hear that from both sides.. What I know is God speaks through His Spirit in His word.. That word convicts us of our sin, it comforts us in tribulation, it gives us peace and joy when we are sad or troubled..
God reveals Himself, His nature, His attributes, His immutability and His plan for salvation in what we would both agree is His word.
The Holy Spirit does not need to whisper in our ear.. His inspiration is always at hand in the scriptures.. anything that differers from what is written, anything that adds to it or contradicts it is not from God.. He is the same yesterday , today and tomorrow.. he will never contradict Himself or act in a way that is not consistent with what He has revealed about Himself in the Bible..
These discussion cause all present to examine what they believe, and how it lines up with Gods word.. So I, like you, have had the Holy Spirit speak to me.. in His word..
BTW it was a Catholic Priest that first advised a group I was with, to pray for the enlightenment of the Holy Spirit when we read His word.. excellent advise :)
Have a blessed Sunday
INDEED.
As the rock throwing absurd ‘jokesters’ have known virtually all along.
Silly rabbits is too kind a term by far.
LOL
When I want an opinion from you I will check the bottom of my shoe.
Love it.
‘Mother Angelica’ is IIRC, the founder and head of the RC TV network/station.
imho, She’s more the somewhat dumpy, somewhat frumpy yet quite fiesty version of Paul and Jan Crouch for RC’s.
She may have 80% or so of Aimee’s spunk. Maybe 70% of Kathryn Kuhlman’s.
She is fiesty and seemingly unafraid of taking on the hierarchy when she feels it’s fitting. For that reason, I have some respect for her.
However, she’s seemingly awash to the max in Maryolatry hogwash.
And, when pressed, she’ll kowtow in the usual ways—at least lip-service wise—to the hierarchy in the usual obligatory ‘obedience’ ways.
That’s about the extent of my incidental knowledge of her. I’m sure a number of RC’s will correct me and amplify whatever about her. LOL.
From the Catholic Encyclopedia under the heading “Christian Worship”,
“In accordance with these principles it will readily be understood that a certain worship may be offered even to inanimate objects, such as the relics of a martyr, the Cross of Christ, the Crown of Thorns, or even the statue or picture of a saint. There is here no confusion or danger of idolatry, for this worship is subordinate or dependent.”
Aaron and the Israelites had much the same excuse for the golden calf.
Indeed. And RELIGIONISTS have been the galactic best at rationalizing—particularly re such hidiocies—throughout the ages.
Nonsense.
God has never been impressed with rationalizing idolatry.
He hasn’t changed His mind the Vatican’s existence, for its 1600 years.
In many respects . . .
every RC college prof; every Cardinal and Bishop . . . and no small percentage of pastor priests have demonstrated for centuries that they can easily ‘get away with’ being their own interpreters and pontificators of Christianity. AS has been documented tons hereon, the diversities of the RC’s in their various institutions, colleges, hierarchies etc. are AT LEAST as many and AS DIVERSE, if not more so, than the Evangelicals.
They are just loathe to admit it—as they are a lot of truth and reality.
In many respects . . .
every RC college prof; every Cardinal and Bishop . . . and no small percentage of pastor priests have demonstrated for centuries that they can easily ‘get away with’ being their own interpreters and pontificators of Christianity. AS has been documented tons hereon, the diversities of the RC’s in their various institutions, colleges, hierarchies etc. are AT LEAST as many and AS DIVERSE, if not more so, than the Evangelicals.
They are just loathe to admit it—as they are a lot of truth and reality.
Sometimes, it seems to me that ‘Mother Angelica’ already fancies herself in some sort of exalted position. Other times, she can come across as reasonably humble.
There are still “charismatic” Catholics. I don’t know what to make of them and I’m firmly convinced that “Rome” doesn’t understand what the deal is either. To a Roman a charismatic is someone who says “amen” during the homily...
That’s almost a knee slapper. LOL.
The Pecos retreat center in NM is Charismatic—with a good reputation.
Charles Manson thought he spoke for God too.
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