Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Italy is about 87% Catholic and 4% Protestant, more Catholics vote for EVERYONE in Italy than Protestants do.
wonder if we’ll get an answer
Why is it so important to anyone that they would invent a straw dog out of thin air?
The question is meaningless simply because it doesn't apply to any poster on this thread.
why did, does, the Catholic church invest so much time and effort
on Liberation theology, that’s pure socialism which as you said, = fascism
So then we’re even. I dismiss rantings.
It was by the apostolic Tradition that the Church discerned which writings are to be included in the list of the sacred books. This complete list is called the canon of Scripture.
The Gospels are the heart of all the Scriptures because they are our principal source for the life and teaching of the Incarnate Word, our Savior.
We can distinguish three stages in the formation of the Gospels:
(1) The life and teaching of Jesus. The Church holds firmly that the four Gospels, "whose historicity she unhesitatingly affirms, faithfully hand on what Jesus, the Son of God, while he lived among men, really did and taught for their eternal salvation, until the day when he was taken up."
(2) The oral tradition. "For, after the ascension of the Lord, the apostles handed on to their hearers what he had said and done, but with that fuller understanding which they, instructed by the glorious events of Christ and enlightened by the Spirit of truth, now enjoyed."
(3) The written Gospels. "The sacred authors, in writing the four Gospels, selected certain of the many elements which had been handed on, either orally or already in written form; others they synthesized or explained with an eye to the situation of the churches, the while sustaining the form of preaching, but always in such a fashion that they have told us the honest truth about Jesus."
If it isn't in the Gospels it is not to be preached as Christian truth. Remember, Paul's mission was only to spread the Gospels to those with no foundation in the Old Testament. It was not to form the foundations of a new religion.
The debate has turned into a shootin’ match that I’d just as soon stand back from for now.
It is technically not "making it personal" because you are not calling another Freeper, personally, a liar.
However, it pushes the envelope of finessing the guidelines because it refers to a single incident in the present, i.e. the "person" would be only thinly veiled. If it did not also claim a pattern of group conduct it would be finessing the guidelines.
The word "lie" attributes motive, the intent to deceive.
Use a different, less inflammatory word like "false" "wrong" "error" "misleading" etc.
Just what are you trying to say here, don't be shy. Come right out and say it.
It doesn't the Church can't always control the heretical actions of the clergy, the Reformation demonstrated that.
Once again, a post is made about “some preacher somewhere” smearing Catholics. Just as in a court of law, this is hearsay and has no credibility. Nor is the “pastor” or “church” ever referenced so that they can provide their side.
so there are different factions or sects, and/or differing opinions in the One True Church? Each with their own PIOS and each with their own leaders or popes, since they aren’t listening to the official one apparently, or are they? I understand from an earlier post their are also charasmatic Catholics, so they must believe in TOPIOS as well. Seems like the One true church is fractured
So if it was such that God wanted Mary to be honored for perpetual virginity, Jesus could have taught that about His mother instead of
Luk 11:27 ¶ And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed [is] the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.
Luk 11:28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed [are] they that hear the word of God, and keep it
Now, that is the story as it is told in the Bible
What I was speaking of was why Joseph never wanted to have sexual relations with Mary..Ohh he was an old man, he married because he was a widower and needed a mother for his children etc etc..
People seem to think that it makes sense to believe that Joseph and Mary had a "normal marriage" after the Nativity of our Lord, but the truth is that the Child removed any possibility of normal.
Why? Jesus was to be raised as any Jewish child was to be raised..He called himself the Son of Man.. or do you not believe that Jesus was FULLY MAN as well as FULLY GOD.. those were not roses in his diapers.. Jesus was to have a fully human experience on this earth, and that would have included a mother and a father that expressed their love physically , that had disagreements at times.. Parents that were fully human ..Jesus was to be tempted just as we are..so that would have to include some of the things that tempted us about our families
I have seen some of the old manuscripts reproduced that told stories of Jesus healing birds and exhibiting supernatural powers.. Silliness from some of the early church
St. Joseph and the Blessed Mother had intimate roles in the most incredible and unique event in the history of the world, having a normal life simply was not a viable option for them.
Joseph was a carpenter , Mary was a wife and mother.. simple and ordinary lives
But here is what we DO know, there is NOTHING that suggests that ANYONE other than Jesus Christ was born of Mary and the FACT that He entrusted her care to Saint John when He was on the Cross would indicate that she had no other children because it would have been unnecessary if she had other sons.
Whence hath THIS man this wisdom, and these mighty works? Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? And his sisters, are they not ALL with us?" (Matt. 13:54-56)
John 2:12. Christ went to Capernaum, accompanied by "His mother, and His brethren, AND HIS DISCIPLES."
Galatians 1:18-19, Paul mentioned having seen not only Peter, but also James the Lord's brother in Jerusalem. We know that Paul was speaking of a brother in the flesh. If he had been speaking of a spiritual brother -- a brother in the faith -- he certainly would have included Peter among Christ's spiritual brethren. But he did not!
As to why Jesus sought Johns care of His mother may be found in this prophecy
Psalm 69:8 "I am become a stranger unto MY BRETHREN, and an alien unto MY MOTHER'S CHILDREN.
We know that His siblings thought Jesus had lost His mind.. and came to get Him away from a crowd..
Once again this has no impact on our salvation.. it is only important if one makes a doctrine of faith out of it..then men are being asked to accept as a truth something that has no sure infallible foundation..
Saints James and Jude and others may have been the children of Saint Joseph from a previous marriage, they may have been cousins raised by the Holy Family, but there is NOTHING to suggest that they were born to the Blessed Mother.
I am so glad that I was not let down, here is one of those fables meant to explain other children for which there is no foundation..
Joseph loved Mary, he was not "sinless" he would have desired to have a physical relationship with her ..no matter how old he was or if he had other children.. for her to withhold that would have been a sin, a violation of their covenant.. this causes a problem for a sinless Mary
Some preacher somewhere. Sorry but you can’t hand out personal information on FR, the mods tend to frown on it. Or maybe you’d like to had out yours when you get finished in front of the supreme court.
Your own posts condemn you in that it’s not some made up story about protestants. Read your own posts you’ll see it.
Is this from the saved or doomed in the womb theology?
He saved his own 2000 years ago; he is not waiting to save more.
Then this thread, not to mention Christ's ministry is moot.
And when Satan tempted Jesus with scripture, how did Jesus answer ?
1)with tradition?
2) with scripture ?
Spare me. Have a lovely day.
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