Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
In other words, FAITH AND WORKS.
As much as I am sure that some here would love for that to be true, I NEVER made any such statement.
Good try though.
what is that old law in threadology? the first one to mention hitler is completely out of argument, lol
Still with the mind reading? Are you ressurecting the Carnac act now that Johnny Carson and Ed McMahon are both dead.
I am in total agreement with you. I first became acquainted with Free Republic and the Religion Forum almost 10 years ago when a friend directed me to an "interesting" discussion concerning something like "Baptist End Talks With The Catholic Church".
This thread evolved into "The Neverending Thread" with more than 50,000 posts.
I learned more from that experience than from any other on-line "discussion" before or since.
I Corinthians 5: 9-13 I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.
What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you."
Yeah, I know. It's Paul.
However it IS Scripture and there is no prohibition against judging the actions of others. Besides, God has already judged those acts as sin and evil. Jesus said that if we love Him, we'll obey His commandments.
Fruit of the Holy Spirit in one's life is evidence of salvation. If there's no fruit, then it's not out of line to question the professed conversion.
Simply pointing out what God has already stated is not making the judgment.
Seems to fit the evidence, attitudes and mentality alright.
Thx.
Thank you.
Once Saved Always Saved. The people who think they can say and do what ever they want and are “elect”. Exactly. The type who believe that if the most evil people who ever lived (Hitler, Stalin, etc.) EVER uttered the phrase, "Jesus Christ is my personal Lord and Savior," they are saved and NONE of their actions could jeopardize their salvation. Conversely, if somelike Mother Teresa never uttered the phrase, they are damned.
What type were you talking about exactly?
Actually, Godwin's Law is about COMPARING a person or group to Hitler or the Nazis.
You will see that I did no such thing, I offered Hitler and Stalin as persons who embody evil and would typically be persons that most Christians would agree are damned to Hell.
However, if you're so interested in rules, it IS customary on here to ping someone when you are speaking about them.
But hey, that was another great try. As they say, the third time's the charm, so I look forward to it.
Fantasies extrapolated on top of phantasies . . . Sigh.
Just as we do not save ourself we can never keep ourselves.. Jesus is the author and the finisher of our faith
I sure agree with that.
I dont know what you’re talking about as I never said anything remotely resembling that
Hmmmmmmmmmm
Same thread, different posts, different topics -- do try to keep up.
That’s consistent with my reading of Scripture.
So, what’s wrong with Mary and Joseph having sex after the birth of Jesus?
The only requirement was that a virgin would conceive and bear a son.
Even in someone’s total devotion to Jesus, that doesn’t mean that they can’t have sex if they’re married.
They ate, didn’t they? Joseph worked for a living to support his family, didn’t he? I presume they slept.
What’s the Catholic church’s obsession with the concept that sex with her husband would have been out of the question for Mary? Sex with one’s spouse is not a sin. She could have done that and still remained sinless ( if indeed she was to begin with, which she wasn’t)
Sigh.
Really? You don't remember writing this a few minutes ago? (post #9063 if you want to go back and check):
what is that old law in threadology? the first one to mention hitler is completely out of argument, lol
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