Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
We apparently are not the elect so we're fair game. Since we are not one of the predestined elect, there is no hope for us steeped in whatever it is we're suppose to be steeped in... Come to think of it if that is what they think, why are they wasting valuable bandwidth telling us we are heathens? Least that's what I get out of it.
PS: before the snarking starts and it will, it's so hard to take some of the peeps seriously.
Good question. But probably unanswerable, like "What is the sound of one hand clapping?"
In other words, No” and then add some irrelevant pettifogging to obscure ignorance.
But "men" are completely depraved, and if they are not elect, what good does "a better understanding of God and faith" do for them? They're going to hell anyway, right? They have no hope, if they were condemned from all eternity.
What do these have to do with Christianity and Newman's “Essay”?
Just be happy that Protestants eschew the use of calendars, holy days, seasons, wedding rings and church buildings. Because they’re all pagan (”pagan” being, as Chesterton points out, roughly synonymous with “human”).
The leader of the Church calls the Bishops together. Constantine was that leader.
Hint: what religious symbols and gods covered the Arch of Constantine? Were there any Christian symbols?
Why did the coinage of his empire carry pagan gods on for many years during his rule and he never coined a Christian coin.
Why did Constantine dedicate the new city of Constantinople wearing the robes of Apollo?
The Church of Constantine, now known as the Catholic Church, was, and is, a mixture of Paganism and Christianity.
Read the whole passage from Newman -- though I don't think he went into corn gods as such, he does mention the idea of an incarnate god coming from India, the idea of baptism being of pagan origin, etc. etc.
A big part of the "free-thinker" movement of the 19th century ridiculed Christianity as merely another corn god myth.
Those who don't respond in faith do not want to respond in faith.
Like I said, your rant was meaningless.
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Perhaps, coming from a convoluted RC perspective, you're looking for complexity when the Gospel of Christ is simple -- all who believe in Christ as Lord, God and Savior are saved.
lol. So says the evidence.
Also, a number of things on your list (without tracking down Newman’s footnoted source, I can’t tell to what extent he was paraphrasing from his source or writing his own opinion) came into the Church directly from Judaism:
temple, incense, lamps, candles; holydays and seasons, processions, blessings on the fields; sacerdotal vestments, ecclesiastical chant (a direct descendant of Hebrew synagogue chant). Maybe the Jews got them from the pagans.
,/i>Huh. What about those who want to, but can't? Suppose they try to do God's will, even if they don't have complete faith? What if they have doubts?
They don't have a clue as to how doctrine comes about. They figure whatever Rome spouts is doctrine, founded on church fathers and declarations from the magisterium and pontifical posturings.
They haven't a clue as to the difference between the doctrines of God's word and the doctrines of men since they believe some men are God and therefore have a right to create doctrine out of men's opinions.
Doctrine is Scriptural teaching, based on God's word alone. If it isn't in the Bible, it is not to be utilized as the basis for our faith or practice.
What does the Bible say about doubts? Do they send a person to hell? What about Thomas, who had to touch Christ’s wounds? Did he go to hell?
Chesterton may have been a nice fellow and smart as can be but God’s word has the priority over Chesterton at his most clever.
No golden calves, no sacred poles and sacred woods, no weeping over Tammuz, no rites of Baal mixed with the worship of God, no fellowship with darkness of any kind or name however “human” Chesterton might think it is.
According to Christ what “sanctifies” is the truth of God’s word, “Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.”
(John 17:17)
And as Paul said under inspiration of God’s spirit, “But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.” (1 Cor. 10:20)
So much for Chesterton, So much for Newman.
Which men do Catholics think are God? Which men do Catholics think have a right to create doctrine out of men's opinions?
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