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To: MarkBsnr
Constantine was the leader of the Catholic Church.

Big talk, now prove it.

The leader of the Church calls the Bishops together. Constantine was that leader.

Hint: what religious symbols and gods covered the Arch of Constantine? Were there any Christian symbols?

Why did the coinage of his empire carry pagan gods on for many years during his rule and he never coined a Christian coin.

Why did Constantine dedicate the new city of Constantinople wearing the robes of Apollo?

The Church of Constantine, now known as the Catholic Church, was, and is, a mixture of Paganism and Christianity.

8,529 posted on 10/04/2010 12:33:23 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: OLD REGGIE

lol. So says the evidence.


8,534 posted on 10/04/2010 12:45:26 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg
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To: OLD REGGIE; MarkBsnr

“”The Church of Constantine, now known as the Catholic Church, was, and is, a mixture of Paganism and Christianity.””

What nonsense!

The Church before Constantine held the same beliefs on Sacraments ,veneration of Saints,Mary,Mother Of God etc..

Just a few examples of early Church Fathers BEFORE Constantine

On Eucharist

“For not as common bread and common drink do we receive these; but in like manner as Jesus Christ our Saviour, having been made flesh and blood for our salvation, so likewise have we been taught that the food which is blessed by the prayer of His word, and from which our blood and flesh by transmutation are nourished, is the flesh and blood of that Jesus who was made flesh.” Justin Martyr, First Apology, 66 (c. A.D. 110
-165).

Infant Baptism

“For He came to save all through means of Himself—all, I say, who through Him are born again to God—infants, and children, and boys, and youths, and old men.” Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 2,22:4 (A.D. 180).

Mary-Mother Of God

To all generations they [the prophets] have pictured forth the grandest subjects for contemplation and for action. Thus, too, they preached of the advent of God in the flesh to the world, His advent by the spotless and God-bearing(theotokos) Mary in the way of birth and growth, and the manner of His life andconversation with men, and His manifestation by baptism, and the new birth that was to be to all men, and the regeneration by the laver [of baptism]. St. Hippolytus -Discourse on the End of the World, 1 (AD 217)

Veneration of the Saints

“[T]hat it is neither possible for us ever to forsake Christ, who suffered for the salvation of such as shall be saved throughout the whole world (the blameless one for sinners), nor to worship any other. For Him indeed, as being the Son of God, we adore; but the martyrs, as disciples and followers of the Lord, we worthily love on account of their extraordinary affection towards their own King and Master, of whom may we also be made companions and fellow disciples! The centurion then, seeing the strife excited by the Jews, placed the body in the midst of the fire, and consumed it. Accordingly, we afterwards took up his bones, as being more precious than the most exquisite jewels, and more purified than gold, and deposited them in a fitting place, whither, being gathered together, as opportunity is allowed us, with joy and rejoicing, the Lord shall grant us to celebrate the anniversary of his martyrdom, both in memory of those who have already finished their course, and for the exercising and preparation of those yet to walk in their steps.” Martyrdom of Polycarp 17,18 (A.D. 157).

Mary Immaculate

“He was the ark formed of incorruptible wood. For by this is signified that His tabernacle was exempt from putridity and corruption.” Hippolytus, Orations Inillud, Dominus pascit me (ante A.D. 235).

“This Virgin Mother of the Only-begotten of God, is called Mary, worthy of God, immaculate of the immaculate, one of the one.” Origen, Homily 1(A.D. 244).


8,550 posted on 10/04/2010 1:49:51 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: OLD REGGIE
Constantine was the leader of the Catholic Church.

Big talk, now prove it.

The leader of the Church calls the Bishops together. Constantine was that leader.

Yeah, yeah. Prove that Constantine called the Bishops, rather than begging the Church to pull itself together before the Empire shattered.

The Church of Constantine, now known as the Catholic Church, was, and is, a mixture of Paganism and Christianity.

There never was nor is a Church of Constantine, pagan or not. Constantine was a gradual convert to Christianity, sure, but if you wish to make statements like this, I'm sure that you'll back them up with proofs. I would call your attention to the gradual conversion of so many people away from the Church to the church of the god that they see in the mirror.

8,597 posted on 10/04/2010 5:10:13 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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