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To: count-your-change

Also, a number of things on your list (without tracking down Newman’s footnoted source, I can’t tell to what extent he was paraphrasing from his source or writing his own opinion) came into the Church directly from Judaism:
temple, incense, lamps, candles; holydays and seasons, processions, blessings on the fields; sacerdotal vestments, ecclesiastical chant (a direct descendant of Hebrew synagogue chant). Maybe the Jews got them from the pagans.


8,535 posted on 10/04/2010 12:47:19 PM PDT by maryz
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To: maryz
“Maybe the Jews got them from the pagans.”

According to book of Numbers the festivals, etc. were described and commanded by God.

“Also, a number of things on your list (without tracking down Newman’s footnoted source, I can’t tell to what extent he was paraphrasing from his source or writing his own opinion) came into the Church directly from Judaism:...”

To take just one example from the above says The Catholic Encyclopedia:

“We need not shrink from admitting that candles, like incense and lustral water, were commonly employed in pagan worship and in the rites paid to the dead. But the Church from a very early period took them into her service, just as she adopted many other things indifferent in themselves, which seemed proper to enhance the splendour of religious ceremonial.”

Unless the Encyclopedia is calling Judaism “pagan” then, no, these practices and such did not come from Judaism.

Catholicism is not Judaism with a Latin accent.

8,551 posted on 10/04/2010 1:59:00 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: maryz; count-your-change; Dr. Eckleburg; RnMomof7
Jews got their instructions for the temple and all of the temple furnishings including the candlesticks, lavers, altar, etc. from God. they are enumerated carely in the bible, you might want to read it sometime.

The Plan of Salvation was revealed to Abraham and nations knew that the Savior was to come to the world through the Jews.The line descended from Abraham to Isaac to Jacob, etc. but others even to this day, (Islam) claim it for themselves. Satan has done everything he can to counterfeit it.

The Plan was revealed to the Jews before they resided in Egypt where they would have learned of Osirus and in Babylon where they would have learned of Tammuz and the Queen of Heaven. The bible condemns the worship of Tammuz and the Queen of Heaven

8,576 posted on 10/04/2010 3:54:10 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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