Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[Hank Kerchief]

Intended Catholic Dictatorship

The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.

The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).

The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.

The Intentions Made Plain

The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.

Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.

This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!

In Their Own Words

The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.

[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]

Two Comments

First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.

This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.

Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.

—Reginald Firehammer (06/28/10)

[MarkBsnr]

Suurree! Hateful, cutting, sarcasm.

A little work with the whetstone of wit, and I'm sure that you'll be back at your usual level. :)

[stfassisi]

“”Hateful, cutting, sarcasm.””

Nonsense.Get over yourself

[MarkBsnr]

It might come as a shock to stfassisi and MarkBsnr that they are classed as "Protestants".

stfassisi has disowned the "totally depraved" claim as "sarcasm". I don't know whether MarkBsnr has gotten the message yet.

Let's just say that the Calvinist belief that all men are totally depraved does not mesh with the Catholic beliefs at all. Catholics believe that someone can be if they work at it, whereas Calvinists believe that all men are, before the select few are hijacked by the Reformed Holy Spirit.

You can be as Reformed as you wanna be...

Same knowledge, understanding, and practice of Catholic Teaching? Absolutely not!

Analogy: the school classroom. Same teacher, same primer, same curriculum, same homework. Are all the students equal in understanding when the class ends?

[maryz]

that much of what is widely accepted as Christian doctrine is in fact borrowed from paganism and recognized as imperfect divine revelation.

You mean like the ubiquitous (maybe universal) pagan "dying god" (most often a corn god), who dies and rises again?

Do you have an actual quote from Newman or a Dowdified or distorted paraphrase from an anti-Catholic site?

[maryz]

Mysticism, Geek mythology.. interest a song about the teachings of a goddess mention Mary...

Hard to know what your point may be, since your comment doesn't parse, but the Mary in the Dies Irae is Mary Magdalene.

[OLD REGGIE]

Still trying to salvage a modicum of credibility and self respect out of your disastrous postings? Forget it, this desperate attempt to create something out of nothing makes you look even more inept.

Interesting subject; "credibility". IIRC, and I do, you made a claim of a growing Catholic population in both Switzerland and the Southern European countries mostly responsible for the growing Swiss Catholic population. I replied with a reference to the "dynamic" Catholic growth in Portugal and am still waiting patiently for an answer.

There is still time for you to salvage a modicum of credibility and self respect.

To: Natural Law

"2. This proves a growing Catholic population in both places."

Check the Catholic birth rates in place "B" and get back to me.

Aren't you the person who claimed I never answered a question?

One thing you can be certain of is I will never respond to an imperious order from you.

You are the one who brags about the dynamic and growing population of Catholics. It is up to you to back up your claims.

However, I did choose the one nation in the world with the greatest percentage of Catholics for a quick analysis of "Catholic Growth".

Although Portugal is one of the countries with the highest proportion of Catholics in the world, the number of faithful has been falling steadily since the mid-1970s. According to the latest census, carried out in 2001, half a million people said they had become agnostics.

While 84.5 percent of the 10.6 million people in this southern European country identify themselves as Catholics, only 18.7 percent are practicing Catholics.

In addition, just 10.3 percent of the population are regular church goers, and only half of all weddings are held in churches, while divorce and abortion are legal and a same-sex marriage bill has been passed by parliament and is set to be signed into law.

Pope finds Catholic Church losing Portugal as a stronghold - May 2010

8,043 posted on 10/01/2010 8:38:36 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)

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[Jaded]

Don’t cloud the issue with reported facts that go against popular opinion. /so

[Legatus]

It might come as a shock to stfassisi and MarkBsnr that they are classed as "Protestants".

I don't know why you misinterpret almost everything I write, I don't know if it's me or if it's you. It shouldn't come as a massive shock that I'm inclined to believe it's you.

I'm not calling stfassisi and MarkBsnr Protestants, I'm saying that if people want to believe in total depravity we Catholics (among whom I include stfassisi and MarkBsnr) might as well let them.

Catholics don't believe in total depravity, Calvinists believe in total depravity: Since a Calvinist believes in total depravity that belief is going to color everything. IF Calvinist A believes in total depravity, fine, let him be totally depraved, at least it's consistent with what he believes.

Therefore the statement "Only a mind that believes in total depravity would..." can easily work as "only a totally depraved mind of a Calvinist would..." Good grief, how can it even be an insult when it's a foundational belief of the whole crazy system? See, "crazy system" is insulting because Calvinists don't believe their system is crazy, but totally depraved shouldn't be because THEY BELIEVE IN TOTAL DEPRAVITY. At the same time Catholics don't believe in total depravity so we don't see everything and everyone around us as totally depraved, including ourselves.

Of course this has nothing to do with the Unitarian doctrine of Total Ridiculousness. Probably... maybe...

[maryz]

I think what bothers me more than the constant lies is the obvious lascivious and salivating delight they take in sins of Catholics. Difficult to see how anyone can call himself Christian and nevertheless actually enjoy the fact that someone they hate ("Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself," anyone?) has sinned. Do they think God delights in anyone's sin?

[maryz]

How interesting that the Roman church teaches Paul is inspired, but only the parts we like that support our doctrine..

Not sure whether to point out that this a clear case of the pot calling the kettle black or to point out that the "we" cannot grammatically refer back to "the Roman church" but has to stand as "we" -- Freudian slip?

[1000 silverlings]

Jewish Mysticism dates back to at least Ezekiel

??? praying in the Spirit is now Mystical

Seeing as how just about everyone in the bible does it, including Christ, is that now equated to Babylon practices?

[OLD REGGIE]

Did you mean to say "developed in the fourth century?

Negative; the Church worked out the Trinitarian formula over at least two centuries.

Not correct. The so-called "Trinitarian Formula" was a subject of fierce debate, settled on only in the First Ecumenical Council called by the first real leader of the Catholic Church - Constantine.

Aside from the baptismal formulation in Matthew, which you so very well expound on, there is nothing explicit. The very tag of Unitarianism means one God and no 'personages', if I understand the tag correctly. Would you consider that correct?

Understand it any way you wish. Even though many Catholics have told me what I believe, I have said it all with "In any event, I accept Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and said to them, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me."

I had not thought that you considered the Pauline epistles so highly (even more if you consider Acts, written by Luke, first a Petrine apostle, then a Pauline one) and take as much from Paul as proofs of your faith. Very interesting.

I think no more of Paul than any of the New Testament personages. He was; however, unique in that he was chosen specifically by Jesus to preach to the Gentiles.

Paul was the big "I" but he was careful to distinguish when he was speaking for Jesus and not the big "I".

I am surprised that the Catholics on this forum don't have a more positive outlook toward Paul. After all, he did relegate women to second class status in keeping with the official position of the Catholic Church.

[Natural Law]

"Seeing as how just about everyone in the bible does it, including Christ, is that now equated to Babylon practices?"

You need to take this up with your fellow Calvinists and Pauline Cultists. They were the ones to suggest that mysticism is somehow un-Christian and paganistic.

[OLD REGGIE]

No. The original comment made by another poster and commented on by myself was made in reponse to a series of posts by a Calvinist. When Catholics make statements like that in a thread that I am active on, I will often make either a public or private comment on those posts.

If I see nothing of the same kind from the Calvinists, then I will feel free to agree with such observations.

This is nothing but pure blather. Either you are in agreement Calvinists are totally depraved or you don't. You agreed wholeheartedly with the former.

[1000 silverlings]

Isn’t Sybil that woman with 51 different personalities?

[Legatus]

Isn’t Sybil that woman with 51 different personalities?

Naw, she's Basil Fawlty's wife.

[OLD REGGIE]

(Natural Law) 2) Papal Infallibility is not a carte blanche and has only been exercised twice. To present it as anything else is completely disingenuous.

THERE IS NO CATHOLIC TEACHING WHICH DOCUMENTS THE NUMBER OF DECLARATIONS EXERCISING PAPAL INFALLIBILITY!

[1000 silverlings]

well mysticism is, praying in the Spirit is not. They are two different things

[1000 silverlings]

lol? the one in the tower?

[OLD REGGIE]

Analogy: the school classroom. Same teacher, same primer, same curriculum, same homework. Are all the students equal in understanding when the class ends?

Then you agree that it impossible for any person to know what "Catholics Believe".