Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Ah, once again Rome is done in by the written word.
Ok Quix, you're gonna have to admit, she got you.
Oh, and btw everyone, THAT was the perfect example of being literarily "hoist on your own petard". If only a Star Trek reference had been included so it would have been "hoist, on your own Picard". Alas, we can't have everything, babble on.
Factually, for the past 500 years until after WW2, Protestantism was the dominant faith in Switzerland. In the past few decades, with the influx of immigrants from Italy, Spain and Portugal, the numbers have slightly tipped to the Catholics.
More's the pity. As Romanism spreads throughout a country, so does liberalism.
Of the two, shaking the dust from their feet and leaving is certainly the healthier road.
Not just Romanism, but every other scheme devised by men echos that losing theme: Earn your way to eternal life, and don’t worry about what God says; he’ll have to take you in.
AMEN!
I heard mary became a prostitute after the birth of Jesus to support the family because Joseph left her. I know this MUST be true because scripture does not tell me otherwise..
We can not build our faith or doctrine on scriptural silence
What we know is scripture informs us on the character and nature of God and his works.. no where in scripture is there any type shown where God inflicted pain on someone to show his love for them
The whole stigmata thing is satanic because it demeans the work of Christ, making it seem ordinary ... and not worthy of salvation of men .
That does not glorify God.. but the man claiming the stigmata
The Sybils were ancient pagan mystics that supposedly foretold the future, albeit with drugs and trances. Why would a mass for the dead put David and A Sybil together?
Oh I know! The pagan mystics and philosophers were also sources of divine revelation per the Catholic Church. Right.
Fascinating. A Roman Catholic mass unites David with a pagan mystic, a Sybil. The things we learn on the Religion Forum...
From Wikipedia...
Dies Irae (Day of Wrath) is a famous thirteenth century Latin hymn thought to be written by Thomas of Celano...The poem describes the day of judgment, the last trumpet summoning souls before the throne of God, where the saved will be delivered and the unsaved cast into eternal flames. The hymn is best known from its use as a sequence in the Roman Catholic Requiem Mass.
lol. Amen, Mom. Teach them how to discern the Scriptural truth. Maybe it will stick.
I wouldn’t want to leave you out, by comparison, then.
LOL.
Love it.
Though it took y’all far too long to come up with that cutie.
Answer . . . I’m proud of my new teeth and want to show them off.
So today they are filtered through Rome.. right..Papal INFALLIBILITY and all
Paul , unlike your pope, was hand selected by Christ to be the primary teacher/catechist of the church .
We know that God selected Paul, we know that his letters were considered inspired scripture at the time they were written, we know that the Holy Spirit led men to include them in the scriptures as INSPIRED AND INFALLIBLE and as much from the mouth of God as the words of Christ.
Now maybe catholics do not like that ..but to that I say tough
Wellllllllllllllll . . .
perhaps written for them . . . in the
VATICAN ALICE IN WONDERLAND SCHOOL OF THEOLOGY AND REALITY MANGLING
involves several rabbits hopping through ink and then around on big white hankies after eating some funny vegetation?
BTW, Please check your FREEPMAIL.
They think we make up doctrine like they do
Christianity is the only faith that has a saving God.. all others rely on self help and self righteousness.. trying to make God love them enough to save them .
No Glory to God..all the glory to man
And you mine. I offered multiple sources and you hid behind a single travel blog.
I have no interest or desire to change your mind. You may have grown accustomed to badgering, bluffing and bullying those in your orbit into silence or acquiescence, but I have nothing to gain or lose by shutting up and pretending you are right.
I don't speak for Rome or the Catholic Church, I simply provide a truthful counterbalance to your blather so that the fair minded and undecided can arrive at their own decisions. I will continue to do this as long as you continue to spread misinformation about the Church. Since you persist in repeating the same misinformation, and everyone is fully capable of their own research my work is getting easier and easier.
That Day Of Wrath, that dreadful day,
When heaven and earth shall pass away,
Both David and the Sibyl say.
What terror then shall us befall,
When lo, the Judge’s steps appall,
About to sift the deeds of all.
The mighty trumpet’s marvellous tone
Shall pierce through each sepulchral stone
And summon all before the throne.
Now Death and Nature in amaze
Behold the Lord His creatures raise,
To meet the Judge’s awful gaze.
The books are opened, that the dead
May have their doom from waht is read,
The record of our conscience dread.
The Lord of judgment sits Him down,
And every secret thing makes known;
No crime escapes His vengeful frown.
Ah, how shall I that day endure?
What partron’s friendly voice secure,
When scarce the just themselves are sure?
O King of dreadful majesty,
Who grantest grace and mercy free,
Grant mercy now and grace to me.
Good Lord, ’twas for my sinful sake,
That Thou our suffering nature didst take;
Then do not now my soul forsake.
In weariness Thy sheep was sought;
Upon the Cross His life was bought;
Alas, if all in vain were wrought.
O just avenging Judge, I pray,
For pity take my sins away,
Before the great accounting-day.
I groan beneath the guilt, which Thou
Canst read upon my blushing brow;
But spare, O God, Thy suppliant now.
Thou who didst Mary’s sins unbind,
And mercy for the robber find,
Dost filled with hope my anxious mind.
My feeble prayers can make no claim,
Yet, gracious Lord, for Thy great Name,
Redeem me from the quenchless flame.
At Thy right hand, give me a place
Among Thy sheep, a child of grace,
Far from the goats’ accursed race.
Yea, when Thy justly kindled ire
Shall sinners hurl to endless fire,
Oh, call me to Thy chosen choir.
In suppliant prayer I prostrate bend,
My contrite heart like ashes rend,
Regard, O Lord, my latter end.
Oh, on that day, that tearful day,
When man to judgment wakes from clay,
Be thou the trembling sinner’s stay,
And spare him, God, we humbly pray.
Yea, grant to all, O Saviour Blest,
Who die in Thee, the Saints’ sweet rest
SING IT!
And all the people said: "EEK, the Catholics are coming! the Catholics are coming!" apparently. "Amen" would have been sufficient.
If you are trying for the record for the most errors in a single post you are getting close.
1) The Vatican and Rome are two completely different entities.
2) The pope is selected by the Holy Spirit through Apostolic Succession. I don't expect you to admit it because doing so would reveal the vacuousness of your entire Calvinist dogma.
2) Papal Infallibility is not a carte blanche and has only been exercised twice. To present it as anything else is completely disingenuous.
4) The Church does recognize the Letters of Paul as both inspired and infallible, but not your interpretations of them. The interpretation is valid ONLY when it supports and affirms the Gospels. Any other interpretation is false, heretical and possibly blasphemous.
Did you mean to say "developed in the fourth century?
Negative; the Church worked out the Trinitarian formula over at least two centuries. Suffice to say I may well have been declared a Heretic with Arius. The question of "Trinity" in Scripture is an interesting one, based on Matthew 28:19 which did not exist in any MSS well into the 4th century and may well have been a "convenient" addition.
It is possible, sure.
In any event, I accept Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and said to them, All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me."
That is enough for me.
By those standards, the Latter Day Saints or the Jehovah's Witnessess might be fellow believers with you. Or even the Oneness Pentecostals, most of them anyway.
Is there anything in Scripture analogous to baptism in the Triune name? NO!
Aside from the baptismal formulation in Matthew, which you so very well expound on, there is nothing explicit. The very tag of Unitarianism means one God and no 'personages', if I understand the tag correctly. Would you consider that correct?
I had not thought that you considered the Pauline epistles so highly (even more if you consider Acts, written by Luke, first a Petrine apostle, then a Pauline one) and take as much from Paul as proofs of your faith. Very interesting.
YES! That's enough of this silliness.
Then consider the previous post to me.
"In the totally depraved mind of a calvinist everything natural and normal is thought of as dirty."
In the totally depraved mind of a Catholic everything natural and normal is thought of as dirty.
Are they both ok with you?
No. The original comment made by another poster and commented on by myself was made in reponse to a series of posts by a Calvinist. When Catholics make statements like that in a thread that I am active on, I will often make either a public or private comment on those posts.
If I see nothing of the same kind from the Calvinists, then I will feel free to agree with such observations.
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