Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Why do research? Sound bites and speculation are so much more fun!
I thought I was the only one who noticed that.
So, let me get this straight, Protestants are bad because they say who is in hell, but Catholics are okay because they only say who is in heaven?
I sincerely hope Mother Teresa is rejoicing in the presence of Jesus as we speak, I really do. I think what she did for others was remarkable and not many people would take her place. But that is why it saddens me that she expressed such despair of her faith. It shouldn't happen that way.
Romans 5:2-5
2By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
3And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
4And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
5And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
So, when Protestants do it, it's bad, but when Catholics do it, it's good?
Like when Catholics tell Protestants that they're heretics and the CCC says that those who reject RCC teaching are going to hell; and Catholics say that they don't condemn anyone to hell, they just point out that Protestants are condemning themselves to hell and using the CCC to support that.
It's all semantics and Catholics are not fooling anyone with it at all. Judging who's in heaven is no different than judging who's in hell because both are acts of judgment based on some sort of criteria. It's not better to judge who's in heaven because heaven is a good place vs judging who's in hell because hell is a bad place.
If Catholics judging who's in heaven, then they're taking the place of God, the very thing that's condemned when Protestants do it. Judgment is judgment whether it's cloaked as *good* or *bad*.
Catholics judge who's made it and who hasn't all the time. Can you say *hypocrite*?
Salvation is through faith in Christ. If you don’t have faith in Christ, you’re not saved, no matter how many good deeds, like the kind of Mother Teresa, you do.
If she didn’t trust Christ, didn’t have faith in Him, she didn’t make it, works notwithstanding.
Despair is not a hallmark of faith.
It’s a simple observation of fact.
The Catholic Church has a definitive process in acknowledging sainthood. It has no such process in the discernment of who may or may not be in hell.
Also, in acknowledging sainthood through a specific process does not preclude the countless numbers of those who, though not named publicly, enjoy eternal happiness in heaven.
If you don’t agree with the method and criteria used by the Church to define a saint, that’s your opinion; it doesn’t invalidate the Church’s position in the matter.
Anyone who claims to know who is in hell (or heaven for that matter) is pretentiously judgmental and arrogant, because (1) that's not man's decision to make, and (2) because we simply don't (and can't) know.
But that is why it saddens me that she expressed such despair of her faith. It shouldn't happen that way.
Yes, it is saddening to see someone in such despair, yet one must give her credit for perseverance, I mean 50 years is a long time to keep trying and not give up.
But we have not known her life and seen what she had seen and we cannot judge her. How can one criminal judge another? And being a good Protestant don't you agree that we are all guilty and undeserving?
So, who gives us the right to judge others in lieu of God? Don't you trust that God is just? If you do, then she is exactly where she deserves to be, whether it's hell or heaven, but for that no human judgment is needed. Remember the "Thy will be done"? Isn't that enough?
Romans 5:2-5...
I don't really care what Paul has to say. He is no God.
Hypocrisy is nondenominational.
Like when Catholics tell Protestants that they're heretics
Heresy means teaching something other than what the Church teaches. It is not a judgment, but a fact. For example, the Church teaches that Jesus is one person with two natures, fully divine and fully human. Those who teach anything else about Jesus and his natures teach heresy.
On another thread, I was told by a Protestant that God the Father revealed himself in the person of Jesus or the Holy Spirit! That is an old heresy called Modalism because the church never taught or believed that.
If the term is used pejoratively, as a judgment, sending someone to hell, that is a judgment and its wrong.
and the CCC says that those who reject RCC teaching are going to hell, and Catholics say that they don't condemn anyone to hell, they just point out that Protestants are condemning themselves to hell and using the CCC to support that.
No salvation outside the Church is arrogant and judgmental Again, the Church is not a crystal ball to know the fate of the departed souls. But the Church does teach that it is we who condemn ourselves by refusing God's saving grace. Which doesn't make any sense to me; it's another topic.
Judging who's in heaven is no different than judging who's in hell because both are acts of judgment based on some sort of criteria
I agree. Saying that Mother Theresa is in heaven is no different than insisting she is in hell. I don't remember any Catholic here insisting she is in heaven, but there were several Protestants on this thread who insisted she is in hell or lost, or words to that effect.
1 john says those who love are born of God and those who don't abide in death
We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not, abideth in death.1 John 3:14
Beloved, let us love one another; for love is of God, and he who loves is born of God and knows God. He who does not love does not know God; for God is love. 1 John 4:7-8
..And in Romans 13 Paul ACTUALLY says Love FULFILLS the LAW
The love of our neighbor worketh no evil. Love therefore is the fulfilling of the law. Romans 13:10
Authentic selfless Love is Of God.A False love would be the anti Catholic thinking they are abiding in love by trying to lead people away from the Church.
How? If I do not have an assurance of God, how does prove I really believe in Him?
By authentic selfless love that can only come from abiding in God
Thanks...........
Blame the computer.
Nor does it preclude the RCC from mistakes which cause period "pruning" of the List of Saints.
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Men are not saved by their own decision to be born of God. Men are saved by God regenerating their dead hearts of stone so that they can then love God.
God loved us before we could love Him. He chose us and conformed us to His Son. We didn't choose Him.
.And in Romans 13 Paul ACTUALLY says Love FULFILLS the LAW
Good grief. Do you really think our love fulfills the law? Christ's love, obedience and sacrifice fulfills the law for us.
Do Roman Catholics understand what "substitutionary atonement" means?
Let's see what Calvin says about Romans 8:!#...
But some are here impeded, and they cannot well extricate themselves from this difficulty, — that Paul teaches us that the law is fulfilled when we love our neighbor, for no mention is here made of what is due to God, which ought not by any means to have been omitted. But Paul refers not to the whole law, but speaks only of what the law requires from us as to our neighbor. And it is doubtless true, that the whole law is fulfilled when we love our neighbors; for true love towards man does not flow except from the love of God, and it is its evidence, and as it were its effects. But Paul records here only the precepts of the second table, and of these only he speaks, as though he had said, — “He who loves his neighbor as himself, performs his duty towards the whole world.” Puerile then is the gloss of the Sophists, who attempt to elicit from this passage what may favor justification by works: for Paul declares not what men do or do not, but he speaks hypothetically of that which you will find nowhere accomplished. And when we say, that men are not justified by works, we deny not that the keeping of the law is true righteousness: but as no one performs it, and never has performed it, we say, that all are excluded from it, and that hence the only refuge is in the grace of Christ.For he who loves another, etc. - Paul’s design is to reduce all the precepts of the law to love, so that we may know that we then rightly obey the commandments, when we observe the law of love, and when we refuse to undergo no burden in order to keep it. He thus fully confirms what he has commanded respecting obedience to magistrates, in which consists no small portion of love.
Perhaps you should forward your contact information to the Vatican so that all decisions regarding the recognition of those worthy of veneration can be made by a truly authoritative source, one that presumably doesn't even recognize the trinity or divinity of Christ.....right.
You use the words of Scripture and your renewed mind to understand as best you can.
And your result is... ? How would you describe it?
Also, again, if God is without passions, what do you make of God “hating” or experiencing “wrath”?
Matthew 22:34-40
But when the Pharisees heard that He had put the Sadducees to silence, they gathered themselves together. And one of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" And He said to him, "'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the great and foremost commandment. The second is like it, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets."
Jesus is teaching that the Law can be summarized by loving God and loving your neighbor that is what Paul is saying ... ...that would mean anyone that breaks ONE of the commandments is not showing perfect love and therefore can not be saved
Seeing that no man can stand before God and say he has never sinned, never lied, disobeyed their parents etc can never claim he has loved "selflessly"
If a man "loves" and does good works to commend himself to God.. that is not selfless love, it is selfish love..looking for approval of God, salvation or eternal rewards..
Jesus warns us that if we receive the accolades of men here,we have already received our reward and there will no heavenly reward .
The only true selfless love was the cross of Christ. The innocent dying for the guilty ..Greater love HAS NO MAN.
The only love that pleases God and saves is the love of Christ on the cross...
Calling on people to repent and believe that Jesus paid the price for our sins is being obedient to the scriptures ...
Every time the Roman church declares someone a "saint" they are judging the eternity of that person are they not?
So it ok to declare someone is in heaven if one is catholic, but not hell ??? The truth is the church has most likely said that many that are burning in hell are in heaven hearing and answering prayers..
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