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To: kosta50; boatbums
LOL! That's not a "yes" because what I said was not a judgment but simply an observation of fact — i.e. others openly judging who's in hell and who's in heaven.

So, when Protestants do it, it's bad, but when Catholics do it, it's good?

Like when Catholics tell Protestants that they're heretics and the CCC says that those who reject RCC teaching are going to hell; and Catholics say that they don't condemn anyone to hell, they just point out that Protestants are condemning themselves to hell and using the CCC to support that.

It's all semantics and Catholics are not fooling anyone with it at all. Judging who's in heaven is no different than judging who's in hell because both are acts of judgment based on some sort of criteria. It's not better to judge who's in heaven because heaven is a good place vs judging who's in hell because hell is a bad place.

If Catholics judging who's in heaven, then they're taking the place of God, the very thing that's condemned when Protestants do it. Judgment is judgment whether it's cloaked as *good* or *bad*.

Catholics judge who's made it and who hasn't all the time. Can you say *hypocrite*?

7,004 posted on 09/26/2010 10:30:55 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

The Catholic Church has a definitive process in acknowledging sainthood. It has no such process in the discernment of who may or may not be in hell.

Also, in acknowledging sainthood through a specific process does not preclude the countless numbers of those who, though not named publicly, enjoy eternal happiness in heaven.

If you don’t agree with the method and criteria used by the Church to define a saint, that’s your opinion; it doesn’t invalidate the Church’s position in the matter.


7,006 posted on 09/26/2010 10:51:26 PM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words: "It's too late"))
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To: metmom; boatbums
So, when Protestants do it, it's bad, but when Catholics do it, it's good?

Hypocrisy is nondenominational.

Like when Catholics tell Protestants that they're heretics

Heresy means teaching something other than what the Church teaches. It is not a judgment, but a fact. For example, the Church teaches that Jesus is one person with two natures, fully divine and fully human. Those who teach anything else about Jesus and his natures teach heresy.

On another thread, I was told by a Protestant that God the Father revealed himself in the person of Jesus or the Holy Spirit! That is an old heresy called Modalism because the church never taught or believed that.

If the term is used pejoratively, as a judgment, sending someone to hell, that is a judgment and its wrong.

and the CCC says that those who reject RCC teaching are going to hell, and Catholics say that they don't condemn anyone to hell, they just point out that Protestants are condemning themselves to hell and using the CCC to support that.

No salvation outside the Church is arrogant and judgmental Again, the Church is not a crystal ball to know the fate of the departed souls. But the Church does teach that it is we who condemn ourselves by refusing God's saving grace. Which doesn't make any sense to me; it's another topic.

Judging who's in heaven is no different than judging who's in hell because both are acts of judgment based on some sort of criteria

I agree. Saying that Mother Theresa is in heaven is no different than insisting she is in hell. I don't remember any Catholic here insisting she is in heaven, but there were several Protestants on this thread who insisted she is in hell or lost, or words to that effect.

7,008 posted on 09/27/2010 1:04:24 AM PDT by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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