Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
As it was in all of the churches I mentioned.
They realized what unites the Christian is faith in Christ.
What separates Rome from Christianity is, well Rome. The same Rome that schmoozes with Muslims calls us heretics.
I think this thread is devolving into making it about a poster.
thanks thread nanny, but he posted it, not me. People who grow up in abusive homes recognize the potential when we see it
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
I have never made it a habit to be a hall monitor on this forum.
Nor do I run to the moderator.
If you want to call me names, I don’t mind. But I do mind every time one of these “discussions” turns into personal analysis, evaluation and commentary about another poster.
I also recognize the obvious convenience of forum anonymity.
Some things that are posted here would be very inappropriate, insulting, and frankly unChristian if we were speaking to one another face-to-face.
I’m sorry, no more comments from me. However, there are some people prone to posting about themselves and then exclaiming “don’t make this about me!” I never understood that
Worship Jesus not self.
Do you mind when that "another poster" is a Protestant, and the personal analysis, evaluation and commentary is coming from Catholics?
Also, I can be mean and tough on this forum while, actually, I am a worn out old cripple. :-)
Extraneous, immaterial, and baloney. What more can I say?
why would an individual Catholic expect decent treatment regarding a personal issue?
Why would an individual expect to post highly unusual personal information without raising eyebrows and inviting questions?
True. Let's hope the lesson is learned.
“I’m a worn-out old cripple :-)”
I shall now hold that against you and make it a reference point for numerous future posts. :-)
Pointless question. The RM is always called in a hysterical fit, the poster warned, and the posts pulled. Even innocuous questions are deemed too personal, and even "dangerous."
Can we let it go now?
Yes.
If that is actually what is happening.
Each of us gives witness to what are before the Lord with every word we write.
correction: “to what we are”
(*Slaps forehead*) What was I thinking? Of course, unseemly prurient curiosity is the perogative of the inquisitional proddie posters, and all their questions MUST be answered, or the poster is castigated and the worst possible explanation (no matter how unlikely or false) is then taken as gospel truth.
I have found that I cannot even express an opinion about a saint without a thousand vicious replies.
And, OR, I am not in the habit of engaging with you, so I will return to my silence where you are concerned. I have no doubt that you will make up something personal about me concerning that.
That's what I call bringing something meaningful to the table/s.
But since I have your attention, could you please tell me how can a "saved" Protestant lose his salvation.
Why is it your fault since you deny free will?
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