Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Do you not know the difference between the Baltimore Catechism and the Catechism of the Catholic Church? Perhaps you are not as smart as you would have us believe.
Out of the blue, you wrote that for 14 years you refused to permit anyone to touch you and you said you thought this was a result of reading a book. A Christian book.
Understandable skepticism was voiced.
If you didn't want to hear skepticism about something in your personal life, you could just as easily not have posted about your personal life.
The Catholic church has never done a commentary on the entire work of scripture. They have defined their doctrine by misreading 4 or 5 scriptures and proof texting their catechism .
To say that the majority of Catholics are "familiar" with scripture would be an overstatement in my opinion..
They hear bits and pieces read on a Sunday and then hear the interpretation of it by a priest who is giving HOPIS, as there is no official commentary by the teaching church ..which according to Catholic teaching is the only one that CAN rightly interpret scripture.
I think FR catholics by and large have a greater amount of scriptural awareness that the average Sunday catholic
Were you honestly concerned for the Godless you would be spending time on Unitarians, Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Hindu's, Buddhists, Animists, Muslims, Atheists and any number of cultists
Those faiths are not" godless",they simply have false gods ... While I believe Catholics and Protestants share a belief in a triune God..catholics, non the less are never given the gospel of salvation..instead the church walks backward into the OT salvation by law and works which will not save.
So it is likely the list you gave of the" godless "will be spending eternity with Catholic popes.priests and people. Because like cathollics they do not have a saving god, they have a god that has men save themselves..
Could be, and I can hope with you
All I know is that I can’t bear the thought that a billion children would face punishment after being brutally murdered.
Amen, and I think because so many of us were saved out of that error we have a real heart for those that are left behind ...so to speak..:)
If Rome doesn't accept the Baltimore Catechism's teaching anymore, then how does Rome NOW answer its own question?
A. The hell into which Christ's soul descended was not the hell of the dammed, but a place or state of rest called Limbo, where the souls of the just were waiting for Him. Q. 402. Did Christ's soul descend into the hell of the damned?
Is this still true or do Roman Catholics now believe, as most Bible-believing Christians believe, that when Christ descended into hell He actually did what Scripture teaches.
Rome apparently fears the truth. Protestants are confident that Christ is King over all creation, everywhere.
Though I would no more "hang my hat" on the objectivity of the Times of London than I would the New York times, I do expect honesty from the critic.
Perhaps a thorough reading of the article and an honest critique is in order.
AMEN. That is a fact through evidence.
So it is likely the list you gave of the" godless" will be spending eternity with Catholic popes, priests and people. Because like catholics they do not have a saving god, they have a god that has men save themselves.
Amen. Unless and until God grabs hold of any of them and turns them from their own reflection to the face of Christ alone they will remain at sea, bobbing around on the desperate, drowning waves of their own making.
lolol.
“I’m an actress! I have ALL the emotions!” — Goldie Hawn, “First Wives Club.”
Limbo was, and is, a purely imaginative place.
This is exactly why reading scripture in CONTEXT is so important friend.. Lets look at the context and the complete quote..
Paul was leaving that church and would no longer be there to teach and guide them in the word of God..
Here he is giving guidance to a church he loves on how to grow in his (pauls) absence
Phl 1:27 ¶ Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;
Phil2:1If [there be] therefore any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any bowels and mercies,
Phl 2:2 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, [being] of one accord, of one mind.
Phl 2:3 [Let] nothing [be done] through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.
Phl 2:4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.
Phl 2:5 ¶ Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Phl 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Phl 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Phl 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Phl 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Phl 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth;
Phl 2:11 And [that] every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Phl 2:12 ¶ Wherefore, my beloved, ,font color=red>as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
Phl 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of [his] good pleasure.
Phl 2:14 Do all things without murmurings and disputings:
Phl 2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;
Phl 2:16 Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain.
Phl 2:17 Yea, and if I be offered upon the sacrifice and service of your faith, I joy, and rejoice with you all.
Phl 2:18 For the same cause also do ye joy, and rejoice with me. Phl 2:19 ¶ But I trust in the Lord Jesus to send Timotheus shortly unto you, that I also may be of good comfort, when I know your state.
Phl 2:20 For I have no man likeminded, who will naturally care for your state. Phl 2:21 For all seek their own, not the things which are Jesus Christ's. Phl 2:22 But ye know the proof of him, that, as a son with the father, he hath served with me in the gospel. Phl 2:23 Him therefore I hope to send presently, so soon as I shall see how it will go with me. Phl 2:24 But I trust in the Lord that I also myself shall come shortly. Phl 2:25 ¶ Yet I supposed it necessary to send to you Epaphroditus, my brother, and companion in labour, and fellowsoldier, but your messenger, and he that ministered to my wants. Phl 2:26 For he longed after you all, and was full of heaviness, because that ye had heard that he had been sick. Phl 2:27 For indeed he was sick nigh unto death: but God had mercy on him; and not on him only, but on me also, lest I should have sorrow upon sorrow. Phl 2:28 I sent him therefore the more carefully, that, when ye see him again, ye may rejoice, and that I may be the less sorrowful. Phl 2:29 Receive him therefore in the Lord with all gladness; and hold such in reputation: Phl 2:30 Because for the work of Christ he was nigh unto death, not regarding his life, to supply your lack of service toward me. Return to Top Chap: Verse: Cite This Page: Blue Letter Bible. "Paul's Epistle - Philippians 2 - (KJV - King James Version)." Blue Letter Bible. 1996-2010. 18 Sep 2010. < http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Phl&c=2&t=KJV >
Maybe it would behoove everyone to let this doggy bone go.
The Baltimore Catechism was the official approved Catechism long before the dumbed down one came into use .
Or doesnt this mean anything?
IMPRIMATUR New York, April 6, 1885. John Cardinal McCloskey, Archbishop of New York. Baltimore, April 6, 1885. "The Catechism ordered by The Third Plenary Council of Baltimore, having been diligently compared and examined, is hereby approved." + James Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore, Apostolic Delegate.
Was the baltimore catechism false teaching??
Was the baltimore catechism false teaching??
LOL is that a trick question?
It wasn’t “out of the blue”. I mentioned my experiences in Protestantism and how I never received any practical guidance that wasn’t the interpretation of an individuals perception of a verse or isolated passage of Sacred Scripture. Then I recalled Dobson’s influence that began with “Preparing for Adolescence” and how it had negatively impacted my life for an extended period of time. As much as I like to think I’ve gotten over it, I still try to keep it out of my mind. I tried to keep the account relatively brief while communicating what I thought were the key points.
I used the example I did to indicate that I wasn’t talking about the minor issues all people endure during that phase of life.
I’m interested in the rationality behind a defense that basically boils down to “if you don’t want to be robbed don’t leave the doors unlocked”. Well... ok... I suppose that says something about the person who left the door unlocked but it also says something about the person who walked out with the TV. I see a lot of that kind of attitude around here. It seems like a willingness to exploit every opening... and we’re back to people treating other people like playthings again.
So we see, the doctrine of total depravity leaves no room for human dignity. I’m not surprised, just disappointed. I still can’t remember who said “Catholics are so much worse than their religion, Protestants so much better than theirs”. Normally I find that to be true, it’s not hard for a Protestant to be better than Protestantism and it’s very hard for a Catholic to live up to Catholicism. What’s really tragic is when Protestants live down to Protestantism and follow the logical progression of what it really is. Life becomes a shrill, strident denial of joy.
Yep..LOL
It makes more sense when you realize that the entire concept of "Limbo" is purely imaginary.
To work out ones salvation is pretty easy to understand. To endure to the end and thus be saved seems pretty clear and reflects Paul's comments at Heb. 10:36 and elsewhere that salvation could be gained and lost.
Witness the Israelites that were saved by crossing the Red Sea and yet became condemned to die in the wilderness.
As I said, examples abound.
Sounds dreadful. Apparently it "impacted your lfe" for 14 years of not wanting to be touched and it even now colors your adulthood up to this very day.
What was it specifically that scarred you in Dobson's book, "Preparing for Adolescence?"
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