Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
It is.
But a lot of work at that.
We agree except for the ONLY part,because there are some Invincibly Ignorant who may have never heard the Gospel or even have Christ spoke about to them. The Law of love is written on our hearts and Christ sends His Spirit to those whom He will. Christ said that NO ONE can do good without ME. NO ONE. Thus, when you see even a non Christian do good and love others unconditionally, what's the explanation? God's Spirit is working through the natural law written on that person's heart. He can be saved through Christ, even though He doesn't know that Jesus rose from the dead.Now,I believe this is unusual,but we don't tell God where to send His Spirit.
Any human who adheres to a doctrine OTHER than directly from God, falls into the same category of picking and choosing independent of God.
2 for 2 we agree again!you're on a roll. I will expand on this as well,dear friend.... The Doctrine of Trinity , The Sacraments etc.. all come from God to His Church
Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. The spiritual gift of Pastor-Teacher is a spiritual communication gift for some believers to communicate with others.
Some people hear the word of God and interpret it to mean different things on the same Scripture and sometimes they are completely opposite of historical consistent beliefs. Someone is right and someone is wrong ,so their can only be one truth. I take the side of historical consistency of the Magisterium and Consensus patrum.You're free to do whatever you want
It is also possible for any believer to remain in fellowship with God through faith alone in Christ alone and God the Holy Spirit perform that very same work within the believer. The believer is to respond to the Holy Spirit by the protocols God has provided.
We agree again!
If the believer instead picks and chooses by their own agenda, even if they are Roman Catholic obeying the letter of the magisteriun, they have already fallen out of fellowship with God and are following their own volition vice that of the Lord.
A Catholic is bound to dogmatic teaching of Faith and Morals of the Church since we believe they come to us from Christ.If a Catholic knows these teachings and acts or teach against them they are essentially calling Christ a lier and following there own pride
I enjoyed your well thought out post.
I wish you a Blessed evening!
They’re fairly uniformly wrong. There are things taught us former Catholics as doctrine, which seem to have crossed diocesan lines.
How geographically separate diocese can all teach the same errors is beyond me. The chances for that would be astronomical.
That tells me that that’s what the Catholic church really teaches regardless of what someone posts is the *official* position of the Vatican.
Faith is the God-ordained means by which we receive God's grace.
Men are saved "BY GRACE through faith."
"SAVED BY GRACE."
Grace saves us, and grace alone, through faith in Christ.
Oh, I agree with that aspect being uniformly wrong.
As in . . . all as wrong . . . and even somewhat uniformly on particulars.
I just don’t think there’s a GREAT deal of homogeneous uniformity in THE INSTITUTION—even in the Catechism.
THE LOS ANGELES RELIGIOUS EDUCATION CONGRESS
That's the how... the "why" is something called "Nouvelle Théologie" The wiki article is facepalm city.
The theologians usually associated with Nouvelle Théologie are Henri de Lubac, Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, Hans Urs von Balthasar, Yves Congar, Karl Rahner, Hans Küng, Edward Schillebeeckx, Marie-Dominique Chenu, Louis Bouyer, Étienne Gilson, Jean Daniélou, Jean Mouroux and Joseph Ratzinger (now, Pope Benedict XVI).
Well lovely...
Except your interpretation of Ephesians 2:8 is refuted by the Greek language...as you know. So you have to ignore what the text says and replace it with your...tradition?
Beyond that, your post speaks for itself.
That is certainly true. All who seek Christ with a heart of flesh will find Him. But that's only half the story which Arminians conveniently forget. It's like saying "cars run because of gasoline," but then not understanding what's going on under the hood.
No man can "believe in Christ" unless and until he first has been reborn by the Holy Spirit, regenerated from the natural man to the spiritual man to be able to "know the things of God."
And that decision belongs to God, not men. This rebirth is not dependent on "those who will or those who run, but on God who shows mercy."
This is exactly why all these Arminian posts are being high-fived by the Roman Catholics on this forum. IT'S THE SAME WORKS-BASED THEOLOGY.
Stop making up lies!
Sorry, would you be kind enough to spell your your perspective?
My discerner and prognosticator are tired.
Men are saved “BY GRACE through faith.”
Odd - most Calvinists say we are saved by grace thru election...that we can do nothing, and salvation is something God does to us if we are on His “List of The Elect”.
By grace, thru faith. We’ll make a General Baptist out of you yet!
"As I know?" Are you mind-reading? Should I run to the Religion Moderator?
Your novel interpretation of Eph. 2:8 is held by the church in Rome and scattered Arminians. The historic orthodox view of Eph. 2:8 contradicts your opinion. Faith is a free gift of God. Grace is a free gift of God.
Thank God.
I'm not getting into this debate but as I see it, Jesus desired that all men would chose to be saved; accept the free gift of God...
This is why a great many posters refuse to post to you. You make statements about them which are clearly untrue.
We are witnessing an exercise in the free will that the anti-Catholics deny exists. God gave all persons the ability and freedom to choose wrongly and some persist in doing so. After attempting to correct the same repeated errors, wrongly stated authoritatively, by many of the anti-Catholics here on FR one can only conclude that the error is intentional and impugnable.
17"But when he came to himself, he said, 'How many of my father’s hired servants have more than enough bread, but I perish here with hunger! 18I will arise and go to my father, and I will say to him, "Father, I have sinned against heaven and before you. 19 I am no longer worthy to be called your son. Treat me as one of your hired servants."' 20And he arose and came to his father. But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and felt compassion, and ran and embraced him and kissed him. 21And the son said to him, 'Father, I have sinned against heaven and before you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.' 22But the father said to his servants, 'Bring quickly the best robe, and put it on him, and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet. 23And bring the fattened calf and kill it, and let us eat and celebrate. 24For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found.' And they began to celebrate.
Luke 15
There is nothing in Church teaching saying babies go to hell,to say so would be a lie,read the document.
The wisdom of the Church is to stress the importance of infant Baptism
Good one .LOL!
Mark your calendars, we agree on something.
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