Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[maryz]

Wikipedia again (it is awfully handy! LOL!) FWIW:

Late first century developments attributed to Jamnia
Today, there is no scholarly consensus as to when the Jewish canon was set. Nevertheless, the outcomes attributed to the Council of Jamnia did occur whether gradually or in a definitive, authoritative council.

I'm really not trying to be argumentative, just collecting information in bits and pieces, to be added to in the future whenever it comes up; lots of what I know I consider known only provisionally -- I can live with a certain amount of uncertainty (lucky thing!)!

[1000 silverlings]

Straw dogs abound.

lol, who let the dogs out

[kosta50]

The OT does not quote from profane sources; why would the NT? If something is in NT and is written authoritatively, whose authority are they expressing if not God's? There can simply be nothing written in the NT that is not of divine authority and therefore scriptural (inspired). Otherwise we invite personal judgment as to which parts of the bible are authentic and inspired, and which are not, and you know that can't be.

[1000 silverlings]

would that be the infant on Mary’s knee that the Catholics love so, or the real Jesus?

the little infant on the knee that the Catholics love so, the one the Roman Mary controls access to, that one

[1000 silverlings]

Faith is not a gift.

ummmm... the bible says it is

[Mr Rogers]

No, it does not.

[1000 silverlings]

well your Catholic bible probably has the verse crossed out

[RnMomof7]

,Did God control and direct and move their hands, mouths, feets, thoughts, with utter control?

God had created them with preferences that controlled their decisions and choices.. . So God knew how they would act in any given circumstance . He chose them, they did not choose Him.

Judas acted in accord with the preferences and character that God had created him with .

The most hideous evil ever, was foreordained ..the crucification of the sinless Son of God.

[1000 silverlings]

lol, and the Jets

[Mr Rogers]

If you will refer to a verse, I’ll refute you. I use the ESV or the NASB.

[OLD REGGIE]

Then show me where Unum Sanctum survived Vatican II.

Are you suggesting an "Infallible" Papal Bull can be negated by a later act of a Pope or a Council?

[1000 silverlings]

oooooh...dueling verses

[RnMomof7]

Thanks, I think that you said it well.. we can not freely choose God until His grace has enabled us to ... Our salvation is all the grace of God, from beginning to end

[Mr Rogers]

If you think you have a verse, cite it.

[1000 silverlings]

I know the verses, I’m contemplating whether it’s a waste of my time seeing as how you have reacted to other posts this am. Know the verse about “a double-minded man”?

[Mr Rogers]

“Yet he is actually not far from each one of us, 28for “’In him we live and move and have our being’; as even some of your own poets have said, “’For we are indeed his offspring.’” - Paul in Athens, Acts 17

Were the Athens poets writing scripture?

[RnMomof7]

Show me the original post, or any post, where I said that the Catholic church never allowed married priests and I’ll admit that you are right.

I never remember reading you say anything like that metmom..

What is unfortunate is the church has managed to cloak this doctrine in a holiness cloak.. when in fact marriage was allowed until the married priests started leave church property to their children .

[Mr Rogers]

It is a waste of your time. I’ve read every verse with ‘faith’ in it, and saving faith is never referred to as a gift.

[RnMomof7]

Again, your church has some serious problems since there is so much teaching in it at the local level that you guys keep saying isn't the official position of the Catholic church. I knew Catholic parents who were terrified of taking their newborns out somewhere before they were baptized, lest something happen to them.

Like me ..my mother in law would have killed any of us that took an UNBAPTIZED baby out of the house

Indeed Limbo was taught as IF it were doctrine to thousands of us ..and surely an unbaptized baby would go there ...so when you do away with limbo that means they would go to hell ...

From the ORIGINAL Baltimore catechism ... A CATECHISM OF CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE

Prepared and Enjoined by Order of The Third Plenary Council of Baltimore

IMPRIMATUR New York, April 6, 1885. John Cardinal McCloskey, Archbishop of New York.
Baltimore, April 6, 1885. "The Catechism ordered by The Third Plenary Council of Baltimore, having been diligently compared and examined, is hereby approved."
+ James Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore, Apostolic Delegate.

LESSON TWELFTH ON BAPTISM

152. Q. What is Baptism?
A. Baptism is a Sacrament which cleanses us from original sin, makes us Christians, children of God, and heirs of heaven.

153. Q. Are actual sins ever remitted by Baptism?
A. Actual sins and all the punishment due to them are remitted by Baptism, if the person baptized be guilty of any, and is rightly disposed.

154. Q. Is Baptism necessary to salvation?
A. Baptism is necessary to salvation, because without it we cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven.

On limbo

Thus the Council of Florence, however literally interpreted, does not deny the possibility of perfect subjective happiness for those dying in original sin, and this is all that is needed from the dogmatic viewpoint to justify the prevailing Catholic notion of the children's limbo, while from the standpoint of reason, as St. Gregory of Nazianzus pointed out long ago, no harsher view can be reconciled with a worthy concept of God's justice and other attributes.
Catholic encyclopedia

[RnMomof7]

And of course "baptism of blood" rose pretty early, "baptism of desire" probaby later but I couldn't sw

Scripture does not teach any of this.. however one would really have to stretch this doctrine to make it fit an unborn infant or infant