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To: metmom; maryz
Again, your church has some serious problems since there is so much teaching in it at the local level that you guys keep saying isn't the official position of the Catholic church. I knew Catholic parents who were terrified of taking their newborns out somewhere before they were baptized, lest something happen to them.

Like me ..my mother in law would have killed any of us that took an UNBAPTIZED baby out of the house

Indeed Limbo was taught as IF it were doctrine to thousands of us ..and surely an unbaptized baby would go there ...so when you do away with limbo that means they would go to hell ...

From the ORIGINAL Baltimore catechism ... A CATECHISM OF CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE

Prepared and Enjoined by Order of The Third Plenary Council of Baltimore

IMPRIMATUR New York, April 6, 1885. John Cardinal McCloskey, Archbishop of New York.
Baltimore, April 6, 1885. "The Catechism ordered by The Third Plenary Council of Baltimore, having been diligently compared and examined, is hereby approved."
+ James Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore, Apostolic Delegate.

LESSON TWELFTH ON BAPTISM

152. Q. What is Baptism?
A. Baptism is a Sacrament which cleanses us from original sin, makes us Christians, children of God, and heirs of heaven.

153. Q. Are actual sins ever remitted by Baptism?
A. Actual sins and all the punishment due to them are remitted by Baptism, if the person baptized be guilty of any, and is rightly disposed.

154. Q. Is Baptism necessary to salvation?
A. Baptism is necessary to salvation, because without it we cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven.

On limbo

Thus the Council of Florence, however literally interpreted, does not deny the possibility of perfect subjective happiness for those dying in original sin, and this is all that is needed from the dogmatic viewpoint to justify the prevailing Catholic notion of the children's limbo, while from the standpoint of reason, as St. Gregory of Nazianzus pointed out long ago, no harsher view can be reconciled with a worthy concept of God's justice and other attributes.
Catholic encyclopedia

5,119 posted on 09/15/2010 11:55:25 AM PDT by RnMomof7 (Jhn 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word.)
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To: RnMomof7
Indeed Limbo was taught as IF it were doctrine to thousands of us ..and surely an unbaptized baby would go there ...so when you do away with limbo that means they would go to hell ...

Yes, Limbo was widely taught (as about .01% of teaching!); where you are getting "when you do away with Limbo that means they would go to hell" I have no idea, especially in view of your closing quote from the Catholic Encyclopedia.

5,127 posted on 09/15/2010 12:19:10 PM PDT by maryz
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To: RnMomof7

I’m still confused on your position. Do you believe/hold double predestination as true?


5,128 posted on 09/15/2010 12:20:31 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: RnMomof7
... the prevailing Catholic notion of the children's limbo ...

For those who claim to know all there is to know about Catholic teaching, the distinction between opinion and dogma is often overlooked. The emphasized words are important.

5,141 posted on 09/15/2010 12:35:03 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: RnMomof7; Quix

Catholics have unity alright. They’re all uniformly wrong, according to FRoman Catholics.

They have a bigger issue than *disunity* of beliefs from church to church or parishioner to parishioner.. They have whole churches full of people who are being taught things that the Vatican allegedly does not teach, that is allegedly (in some cases) not “official” church doctrine.

You can’t even get Catholics on this forum to agree about that little book Quix posted about Mary.

However, when you can find two passages within the Catechism of the Catholic Church which make diametrically opposite claims, you can tell any non-Catholic that they’re *wrong* about any church doctrine.


5,245 posted on 09/15/2010 3:46:05 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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