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To: 1000 silverlings

It is a waste of your time. I’ve read every verse with ‘faith’ in it, and saving faith is never referred to as a gift.


5,118 posted on 09/15/2010 11:40:08 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (When the ass brays, don't reply...)
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alright I’ll bite. Where does saving faith come from?


5,131 posted on 09/15/2010 12:21:13 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: Mr Rogers; 1000 silverlings

Is it really OUR faith that saves us or Christ?

Youngs literal translation

Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God [which is] **by faith OF Jesus Christ** unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, **but by the faith OFJesus Christ,*** even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that*** the promise by faith OF Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.***

Phl 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through*** the faith of Christ, ***the righteousness which is of God by faith:

I think his can be seen in two ways.

1) That Jesus, in faith and obedience, went to the cross and died having faith that the Father would keep the covenant of salvation and that He would show His acceptance of the propitiation through the resurrection.

So that by HIS FAITH we are saved

or/and

2)That we believe on the promises because of His faith that is given to us as a spiritual gift

The KJV often uses the term faith in Christ as well as the faith OF Christ. The translators are selective where they use that phrase.

The KJV used what many consider the superior Textus Receptus translations...Youngs is a Literal Greek translation

BTW the Catholic Douay Rheims translation says ..(guess what ???

***Faith OF Christ***

Galatians 2
16 But knowing that man is not justified by the works of the law, but **by the faith OF Jesus Christ;*** we also believe in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: because by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.

Philippians 3
9 And may be found in him, not having my justice, which is of the law,*** but that which is of the faith OF Christ Jesus,*** which is of God, justice in faith:

Romans 3
22 Even the justice of God,** by faith OF Jesus Christ,** unto all and upon all them that believe in him: for there is no distinction:

Romans 3
26 Through the forbearance of God, for the shewing of his justice in this time; that he himself may be just, and the justifier of him, who is ***OF the faith of Jesus Christ.**


Galatians 3
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise, by the faith of Jesus Christ, might be given to them that believe.

To one there is given through the Spirit the message of wisdom, to another the message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit,+++ to another faith by the same Spirit,+++ to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit... (1 Cor. 12:8-9 )

Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think [of himself] more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly,++++ according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.+++

If God has given a different measure of faith to every man..that sure sounds like a gift to me


5,162 posted on 09/15/2010 1:08:17 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (Jhn 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word.)
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To: Mr Rogers; 1000 silverlings
It is a waste of your time. I’ve read every verse with ‘faith’ in it, and saving faith is never referred to as a gift.

Ephesians 2:
[8] For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God --

5,227 posted on 09/15/2010 2:46:22 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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