Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[Hank Kerchief]

Intended Catholic Dictatorship

The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.

The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).

The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.

The Intentions Made Plain

The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.

Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.

This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!

In Their Own Words

The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.

[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]

Two Comments

First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.

This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.

Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.

—Reginald Firehammer (06/28/10)

[OLD REGGIE]

I was no more poorly catechized than the Catholics who I grew up with, and went to school with, and worked with, and was related to, who are still practicing Catholics.

I'm afraid then you were poorly catechized. If you had been properly catechized you'd have left long before you did. :-)

[MarkBsnr]

You have certainly upped the posting methodology!!! Now for a more liberal use of colours, fonts and sizes in order to truly compete. :)

[wmfights]

MY point was precisely that the man you are calling “the MARY Pope” did not seem to me to display idolatry or distraction in his other writings.

Before we start elevating this guy into some kind of super duper good guy with great vision and intelligence, isn't he the knuckle head who kissed the koran? At least your current guy had the smarts to point out where islam goes violence follows, until he backtracked that is.

[1000 silverlings]

that would be the "presence" of Christ, the Greek word meaning person, implying presence. Paul did not become Christ. The whole passage is concerning church discipline and of which Christ is the head of the church. Paul considered himself as acting under the authority of Christ, not being Christ. Paul was not the head of the church.

[wmfights]

Thanks for the link. I can't argue with a guy who says “I'll fight to the death your right to be wrong”.

[wmfights]

oops, it should have read “for your right to be wrong”

[wmfights]

...then perhaps your group doesn't have Christian beliefs at all, just like the Unitarians

I think that was pretty much the argument your church used to try and kill any Christians that refused to submit to it.

[wmfights]

Wrong

[MarkBsnr]

I have been unable to find this picture anywhere else on Google. Do you have another source as opposed to biblelight.net?

Biblelight.net says that this is the Trinity. Where does it say that other than this page? How do they know that this is the Father, the Son and Mary? The webpage devoted to Catholicism is marked top and bottom with ‘666’. So we start off with a marked antiCatholic bias and some wild claims.

If you would, could you please provide me with links showing a) where this painting actually is, and b) an authority identifying what the painting means.

[OLD REGGIE]

Their tradition is Quotes from Scripture are what gives their tradition the Bible its weight. Pretty convenient, isn't it? They've The Sola Scriptura proponents have got a nice, neat, little system all sewed up. (Except that I think Scripture provides arguments in favor of "tradition.")

Depending on your definition of Sola Scriptura I may or may not be included. However, I believe Scripture contains all we need!

As for your Scriptural argument for "tradition"; can you point to any Scriptural reference to future "tradition"?

[wagglebee]

that would be the "presence" of Christ, the Greek word meaning person, implying presence.

Nonsense.

Douay-Rheims Bible:
And to whom you have pardoned any thing, I also. For, what I have pardoned, if I have pardoned any thing, for your sakes have I done it in the person of Christ. (2 Corinthians 2:10)

King James Version:
To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ; (2 Corinthians 2:10)

Paul did not become Christ.

NOBODY ever suggested he did, EXCEPT for anti-Catholics who want to create their own definition of "alter Christus" and then try to make us argue it.

The whole passage is concerning church discipline and of which Christ is the head of the church. Paul considered himself as acting under the authority of Christ, not being Christ. Paul was not the head of the church.

Precisely, it is about Saint Paul hearing a man's confession and pronouncing penance. See, that is what the Bible teaches, NOWHERE does the Bible support the "once saved, always saved" heresy of the YOPIOS crowd.

[1000 silverlings]

not only wrong but astrociously so. Some “primitive Baptist” churches in the early US were filled by Jews who fled the Spanish Inquisition in Spain. They came to the New world and found that these Baptist churches followed the bible and they related to the services. Even today most Bible churches are really Baptist. The emphasis is on bible teaching, not traditions of men. Baptists were never Anabaptist either, and they aren’t descended from Anglicans, Catholics or whatever, which is why they are known as “independent”. They follow scriptural teaching

[sitetest]

Dear Mad Dawg,

“The second is to say I have no way of knowing what the prevalent quality of catechesis is. I hear mostly horror stories about RCIA and I was recently rebuked by a Middle School DRE for citing Dominus Iesus so I bet there's a lot of downright heresy being taught.”

LOL! I umderstand!

When my older son was about 5 or thereabouts, we used to pick up these hand-outs at Mass, “bulletins” for the kids, with various word games and things to teach the kids about the faith.

One day, I worked out one of the answers for one of the word games, and it said something to the effect of, “When we pray over the bread and grape juice, they become a symbol of the body and blood of Jesus.”

I went a little batty, hunted down one of our deacons - the Catholic one, LOL - and showed it to him. I was so upset, I couldn't actually say anything. He was a much older gentleman, in his 70s at the time. He was even more upset than I was. He got very red and said simply, “I WILL see to this.”

It turned out that the company that sells these things has a generic Christian version and a Catholic version, but the stupid coordinator of religious education (the pastor knew she was a brainless bimbo and wouldn't formally give her the title of DRE - but he made no effort to replace her; she worked cheap) just didn't care enough to pay attention to this.

Well, the "kiddies bulletin" disappeared from church, no thanks to the religious ed person. Having seen the head of religious ed in action, by the time we decided to homeschool our two guys, we decided to homeschool them for religious education, as well. I certainly wasn't going to bundle them off to that old heretic. Our pastor was very understanding. The head of religious ed wasn't very happy, the other deacon - the non-Catholic one - wasn't very happy, but Fr. B_ was happy (and the Rev. Mr. P_ - the CATHOLIC deacon - was very happy, too).

I remember meeting with the pastor and showing him our texts and study material, based around the old Baltimore Catechism. He said half-joking, by the time you finish this with your son, he'll know enough for a masters in sacred theology. Then, exasperated, he said, “I wish I could get K_ (the head of religious ed) to use this in CCD. The stuff they use is junk. It's very weak, barely Catholic at all."

Under this woman's “guidance,” for ten years literally hundreds of children were mis-catechized.

Catechesis is difficult, especially with children. It's intrinsically difficult. But it's also difficult because we pay professional catechists very poorly (when we pay them at all). So, catechists aren't always the brightest bulbs in the box. It's also difficult because there are so many poorly-catechized MOMS and DADS, that sometimes, they actually resist having their children being taught orthodox Christianity.

sitetest

[1000 silverlings]

You are equating church discipline with the Catholic ritual of confession and penance, they are apples and oranges.

[OLD REGGIE]

OK, but I don't agree with your reasoning. Some of your Catholic friends may interpret your explanation to mean all Priests may be married.

I am not responsible for careless inferences.

"The Catholic Church allows heretical Popes." My work is done if I show it has had one. Is that ok with you?

Ambiguous use of the word "allow".

I am not responsible for your lawyerly interpretation of "allow".

1. If the Catholic Church did not "allow" a heretical Pope there would be none included in the List of Popes.

2. If the Catholic Church did "allow" heretical Popes the list might include a Pope convicted of heresy to be included in the List of Popes.

Is such a heretical Pope listed?

[wmfights]

...Some “primitive Baptist” churches in the early US were filled by Jews who fled the Spanish Inquisition in Spain.

Hey, Unitarians would be welcome too!

If we disagree about something we will talk about it, but we won't burn them at the stake.

[1000 silverlings]

In a true house of God, everyone is welcome. And the Gospel is preached. Period

[Legatus]

The icon pictured at This link hangs over my desk. At least we know what it's about and it's not from an SDA website (which I wouldn't trust to accurately label a picture of grass growing). There are four people, plus a couple seraphs and the four evangelists in it. Three of those Persons are the Holy Trinity.

[OLD REGGIE]

Did I say it does?

Did you have a "discussion" with metmom where you implied her statement was all inclusive?

[wagglebee]

You are equating church discipline with the Catholic ritual of confession and penance, they are apples and oranges.

2 Corinthians chapter 2 is about granting pardon (indulgence) and pronouncing penance. The fact that this truth may conflict with YOPIOS or what some store-front charlatan told you doesn't change the truth.