Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
When I (less than an hour ago) realized the fullness of the relationship that must exist when the former is joined to the latter it was quite possibly the closest thing to an epiphany I've ever experienced.
Same here. Thanks very much.
AHHHH . . .
THX.
This happens when I have to go out of town.
I don't believe Unitarians are Reformation Evangelicals because I don't believe they were ever a part of the church you are a member of. Baptists are Evangelical, but were never involved in breaking away from your church so we wouldn't fit in that category either.
I'm not as well versed on Unitarians as I would like and it never occurred to me to question Old REGGIE'S sincerity.
Why is it RC's what to be such control freaks and try to control the language?
Why is it RC’s what to be such control freaks and try to control the language?
Because . . .
!!!!CONTROL!!!! freaque stuff has been found to be a part of the Jezebel spirit . . . which was obviously in on the founding of THE SYSTEM in 300-400 AD.
When the foundation is built largely on that mentality from the beginning . . .
Alas, lots of Proddy congregations are afflicted with it too.
Purportedly my own as well . . . though it sure hides well. This is one of the least !!!!CONTROL!!!! freaquish congregations I’ve ever been a part of. It’s just that a very reliable prophetic woman I know insists it’s there and causing trouble. And I seem some evidence of it.
This loses me. I agree most ex-Catholics were poorly catechized, but only because most Catholics are poorly catechized. I believe the insinuation "you would still be Catholic if it were not the fact you were so poorly catechized" is without merit. It would be equally in error to say "all poorly catechized Catholics are necessarily now ex-Catholic." (This comment is not directed toward you, but to the many Catholics who dismiss the reasoning of ex-Catholics by their simplistic "poor catechis" reasoning.)
I can see a parish singing the Pange Lingua only once a year, on Holy Thursday. But even in small Scottsville VA they have Benediction at least monthly. A couple of years of that and the people will know the Tantum Ergo. If they don't trouble to figure out what it means when it says, "Let faith stand in for the deficiency of the senses," then, well, they ought to keep silent about transubstantiation.
Many learn the words, or rather, the sound of the words by rote and don't spend one second beyond that.
“LOVE ME LOVE MY DOG”
Yeah, go back to pet rabbit.
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Well, I certainly feel better. Now, where were we? Oh yes. Rabbits in hutches.
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
that was slightly interesting .
Nice to see the effort anyway.
Glad you feel better.
I think it's the merger of the state with the church. The war on the Donatist's who were opposed to a pagan emperor being the head of the church is probably the turning point.
Unitarians broke away from the Congregational church (New England Puritans) -- or the Trinitarian Congregationalists broke away from the Unitarian Congregationalist, I guess, depending on how you look at it! I was surprised to see googling that many Unitarian churches keep the term Congregational in their name.
Those for whom Unitarianism (or Unitarian-Universalism) didn't go far enough morphed into Transcendantalists. According to Norman Pettit (a scholar of American Puritanism and its descendants), Ralph Waldo Emerson left the Unitarian Church shortly before he would have been thrown out.
FLESH DRIVEN AUTHORITY LOVES CONTROL.
The whole business of cobbling together a magicsterical set of bureaucratic power-mongers to !!!!DEMAND!!!! that the See of Rome be pre-eminent
was a huge act of !!!!CONTROL!!!! FREAQUEISM
And it’s only worsened since then.
ROTFLMAO!!
LOL! Don’t stop now — you’re on a roll! ;-)
And the evidence is that not all ex-Catholics were poorly catechized.
It gets back to the mentality that if you knew what we REALLY believed, of course you'd believe as we do (or still believe as we do). It's beyond the comprehension of many Catholics that one could really, truly understand what the Catholic church teaches and still reject it. So they resort to the *You must have been poorly catechized* fallacy.
I was no more poorly catechized than the Catholics who I grew up with, and went to school with, and worked with, and was related to, who are still practicing Catholics.
My choice to reject the interpretations of the Catholic church are simply based on the fact that Scripture can be clearly and plainly read and, for the most part, easily understood by the average lay person. And that I saw discrepancies between what Scripture stated and what the RCC taught.
Tradition is NOT on equal par with Scripture. It says that nowhere in the Bible, and Christ Himself had a lot to say about the traditions of men, and none of it good. The only thing that gives weight to the concept that the tradition of the Catholic church is on equal footing with Scripture is,.... (drum roll) the tradition of the Catholic church.
Their tradition is what gives their tradition its weight. Pretty convenient, isn't it? They've got a nice, neat, little system all sewed up.
I would leave any church which did not teach Scripture but instead added it's own teachings which contradict it. If the church I attend now started teaching theology contradictory to Scripture, I'd leave it as well, if the leadership wouldn't relent.
The unmerger of state and religion is a relatively recent phenomenon. It post dates the Reformation also - see Westminster Confession, Calvin's Geneva, etc.
"The Catholic Church allows heretical Popes." My work is done if I show it has had one. Is that ok with you?
Amen! You can fool some of the people some of the time...
The irony of this errant system is that its apologists insist it is an intellectual approach to theology. lol. How "intellectual" can it be when they can't even comprehend the simple words of Christ?
"Be not afraid; only believe." -- Mark 5:36
Because they are at nature, control freaks? The Catholic church is well suited to obsessive-compulsives, all the ritual, doing exactly 50 hail mary's,counting beads, bow 3 times and spin once before sitting down, and all the rest they do
Exactly. That's one more reason why Rome distrusts the liberty of the Christian conscience. It cannot control it.
Thank God.
ROTFLOL!
That's all.
Just ROTFLOL!!!
Isn’t control a main attribute of pharisees?
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