Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[Hank Kerchief]

Intended Catholic Dictatorship

The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.

The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).

The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.

The Intentions Made Plain

The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.

Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.

This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!

In Their Own Words

The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.

[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]

Two Comments

First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.

This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.

Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.

—Reginald Firehammer (06/28/10)

[metmom]

You could go back to RC’s...

That would ignite a firestorm for some.

[Pyro7480]

LOL! It’s not our problem if you can’t tell the difference between a robe and a dress.

[Quix]

[OLD REGGIE]

Mary is the mother of Christ, Christ is King, the Church is the Body of Christ, I think you can take the typology from there.

Now, can you answer the question of why this interpretation concerns you more than the Christian teaching of the Divinity of Christ and Jesus being the Way, the Truth and the Light?

I'm afraid this makes no sense to me.

[1000 silverlings]

the allusion is pretty mixed. She wears Christ, the sun, like a coat, but she gives birth to him, and the apostles perch on her head. Seems like when you explain a set of symbols, you explain it all logically, using the actual old testament references would be a good place to start the ‘plaining, Ricky.

[Cronos]

If you can’t stand the heat of THE TRUTH - you change the subject. That's why you changed the subject from "The Problem with most sola-solas is that they do not read through and do not read in context. This is because when they are school kids they are taught excerpted bibles and out of context verses. They are taught one or two verses (St. Paul's epistles and one or two OT verses) and no gospels. This is simplified into "We be Presbos, we be rite, we be anti-Church". No wonder little school kids have no problem understanding a litany of hate....and then they grow up to spout nonsense on the FR RF" to your own little attack -- which was stupid, of course.

Instead, you should turn to Christianity, you know

[metmom]

Hmmm, I suppose that it would be an interesting exercise to check out how to fake a Catholic healing in order to make a saint out of someone because of it.

[OLD REGGIE]

Better stick to the Catholic Caucus threads.

[wmfights]

Part of the difference is you, unlike your Anglican fellow, do not believe in the Real Presence.

Doesn't matter. My Anglican Brother is still my Brother in Christ if he believes The Gospel. His error on the Lord's Supper is only that, an error.

If Jesus came to your house would you offer Him your best or tell him you're saving it for another occasion or donating it to the poor?

Silly question, He already has my complete devotion.

Is it that the discussion of why large churches get built is hitting to close to home?

To me it is like turning your back on all that God offers us, no matter how much we wrap it up in pride.

Are these huge ornate churches really being built for God? If so why do they have to be so big and fancy?

[Quix]

[Cronos]

Because it is about the RavingCalvinistCult:

truth like The Orthodox Presbyterian Church has abandoned the marks of a true church of Jesus Christ (118).?

Or this:
The Unitarian Universalist website states (uua.org):

"We do not, however, hold the Bible-or any other account of human experience-to be either an infallible guide or the exclusive source of truth. Much biblical material is mythical or legendary. Not that it should be discarded for that reason! Rather, it should be treasured for what it is. We believe that we should read the Bible as we read other books (or the newspaper) - with imagination and a critical eye."

or perhaps this

An example of the pent-e-costal neo-Montanism is William Branham the Father of Neo-Montanism

Even though William Branham denied the Trinity and taught it was a demonic doctrine believed only by those of the whore Babylon false church - he was still revered as a true prophet by almost every major Pentecostal and Charismatic ministry (who are Trinitarian). Even though he believed in numerology and taught that God had made the Great Pyramid - he is still accepted as a true prophet. Even though many of his prophecies regarding future events did not come to pass - he is still regarded as a true prophet. Even though the majority of his teachings are totally in error and diametrically opposed to the plain teaching of Scripture, he is still held up as God's true prophet.

William Branham's heretical theology:

1. God's Word consists of the zodiac, Egyptian pyramids and scripture.
2. Doctrine of trinity is considered demonic
3. The claim that he was Elijah the prophet
4. Millennium to begin in 1977.
5. That he was the seventh angelic messenger to the Laodicean Church Age (Footprints, pg. 620).(Using the dispenational theory that each of the churches in Revelations represents an age of the church, the current one being the Laodicean Church Age).
6. That anyone belonging to any denomination had taken "the mark of the beast" (Footprints, pp. 627, 629, 643, 648).
7. That he received divinely inspired revelations (The Revelation of the Seven Seals, Branham; Spoken Word Publications, Tucson, Ariz., n.d.; pg.19; Questions and Answers, Book 1, Branham; Spoken Word Publications, Tucson, 1964; pg. 60.)
8. The fall of man happened when Eve had sexual relations with Satan, that his sexual union produced Cain.(Branham said that "every sin that ever was on the Earth was caused by a woman....the very lowest creature on the Earth" The Spoken Word, Vol. III Nos. 12, 13, 14;, Branham; Spoken Word Publications, Jeffersonville, Ind. 1976; pp. 81-82. Quoted in The Man and His Message, pg. 41).
9. Branham denied the biblical triune Godhead. He pronounced it a "gross error" (The Spoken Word, pg. 79) and as a prophet with the authority of a "Thus saith the Lord," revealed that "trinitarianism is of the devil" (Footprints, pg. 606).
10. Unsaved descended from the serpent.

The Calvinists, as you say do not follow God's Word -- correct. They should instead join Christ's Church, the One Holy Apostolic Catholic Church. God’s Word is the FINAL AUTHORITY. JESUS is the HEAD OF HIS CHURCH, THE ONE HOLY APOSTOLIC CATHOLIC CHURCH. The Holy Spirit is THE TEACHER. Since we have the Truth grounded within us, we don't care how many times non-Christians like yourself point fingers at us.

Give up the DESPERATE need to follow your man, your pastor.

Follow Christ in Christ's Church, the One Holy Apostolic Catholic CHurch, which HE founded and the Holy Spirit has nurtured and protected for 2000 years, while all the heresies have died away -- even your own heresy will die away soon, like the MArcionites, ARians etc.

So leave your false egotism and worship of self and remember it's all about JESUS, not about you or your tinpot pastor.

[Cronos]

Cool, so you then say that Unitarians are Protestants?

[1000 silverlings]

what are you going on about? there are charismatic Catholic groups doing the same thing, even tho you want to pretend you only have one sect, whereas in truth, you have thousands, each doing their own thing.. And how about exorcisms? Talk about creepy and drama

[Cronos]

Actually, it is — look up the history of the Protestant reformation and you will see the splits from Lutheranism to Calvinism and Zwinglism to the Radical Reformers to Unitarianism and from thence the short steps to paganism

[presently no screen name]

I didn't say that you're compelled to give a straight answer.

LOL! Sitetest - it's obviously your wouldn't know a STRAIGHT answer if it hit your broadside.

I only pointed out that you failed to give a straight answer, and that it would be possible for you to give a straight answer.

NO! YOU pointed out YOUR FAILURE in NOT recognizing a STRAIGHT answer. Get HOLY SPIRIT FILLED and read GOD's WORD

Because STRAIT is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leads to life, and ONLY A FEW FIND IT.

I answered. You failed to accept the STRAIGHT answer.

[D-fendr]

Yep, I think I owe you donuts.

[Running On Empty]

It isn’t worth the time, Pyro.

After all, —mountains-—molehills

and it’s time to know which hill to climb and this isn’t it

God bless.

[Pyro7480]

And how about exorcisms? Talk about creepy and drama

So you deny that Christ's followers were given authority over the demons?

[wmfights]

Cool, so you then say that Unitarians are Protestants?

Original post: To: Cronos; metmom; wmfights; Dr. Eckleburg; RnMomof7; OLD REGGIE

Oh, and turning the question to the other adherents to sola scriptura — would you, MetMom, Wmfights, Dr. Eck, accept Unitarians as your sola-scriptura Protestant brethern? Especially considering that they deny the Trinity? Typical tactics, but I'll respond.

I will accept as my Brother any one who believes The Gospel. If their theology denies the deity of Jesus Christ I will seek to convert them. If their theology holds that there are several paths to salvation I will try to convert them. In the course of conversations on these threads if a Jewish poster offered insights I agreed with, or a Noahicide, I may align with them during that conversation that doesn't mean we are in lock step on all things.

At first blush one would think RC's would be my brethren, but when you discover the RCC rejects The Gospel by adding "maybe", "and",or "but" to it a huge gulf opens between us. So the question I throw back is what's worse the person who aligns with a group of Evangelicals but makes it clear they have some different beliefs, or the one who claims to be the same but isn't?

2,287 posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:47:50 AM by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2166 | View Replies | Report Abuse]

I make mistakes, but I think what I said is clear.

[metmom]

Acts 17:24 The God who made the world and everything in it, being Lord of heaven and earth, does not live in temples made by man, 25nor is he served by human hands, as though he needed anything, since he himself gives to all mankind life and breath and everything.