Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[Hank Kerchief]

Intended Catholic Dictatorship

The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.

The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).

The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.

The Intentions Made Plain

The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.

Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.

This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!

In Their Own Words

The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.

[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]

Two Comments

First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.

This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.

Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.

—Reginald Firehammer (06/28/10)

[Cronos]

Get over it.

Read the posts, Dr. Eck brought this up and I showed her how wrong she was.

The Problem with most sola-solas is that they do not read through and do not read in context. This is because when they are school kids they are taught excerpted bibles and out of context verses. They are taught one or two verses (St. Paul's epistles and one or two OT verses) and no gospels. This is simplified into "We be Presbos, we be rite, we be anti-Church". No wonder little school kids have no problem understanding a litany of hate....and then they grow up to spout nonsense on the FR RF

[D-fendr]

Then I'll expect you to call out everyone else on the thread on it. Sunday isn't just for Catholics.

Just reading the Word of God.

Except for Acts apparently.

[Cronos]

Being Jesus parents was a unique and special role in many ways

Of course -- it was in MANY Ways

, but Mary and Joseph were just human beings like any of us

Of course -- as I wrote above, in Church teachings, we emphsise that Mary and Joseph were creatures, created by God, just like you and me

and there are likely plenty of people who could have filled those roles had they the right lineage and been born at the right time.

Yet God chose those two -- do you think that for Jeremiah "there are likely plenty of people who could have filled those roles had they the right lineage and been born at the right time" or Ezekial or +Paul or +Peter?

No you wouldn't --> GOD chose these people. THAT is why we hold them in esteem -- because GOD chose them and these people, these created beings, they ACCEPTED God and ACCEPTED His Plan. HE does all the saving, WE just have to accept. That is our co-operation with him where we all co-operate with Him in His work of redemption

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But you are correct when you say tht We all co-operate with Him in His work of redemption when we do good works that glorify Him and bring others to Him.

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And your statement They did what they were called to do in obedience just as we do what we are called to do in obedience. It's not what we do that's significant, but our obedience in doing what God has for each and every one of us. They deserve no more credit for doing what they were called to do than we do for doing what we are called to do. is interesting -- we BOTH agree that "It's not what we do that's significant, but our obedience in doing what God has for each and every one of us."

The key point being obedience. Surprisinly, not everyone is obedient to death or even lesser -- and quite frankly neither are you or I so completely obedient. The reason we hold these people in high esteem is because they were obedient, because they accepted God -- God does all the saving, everything, we just have to say "ok, I accept" -- it sounds so simple, yet many of us fail to do this little thing. Hence those who DO say this we hold as heroes of the faith, people to emulate.

[roamer_1]

Then I'll expect you to call out everyone else on the thread on it. Sunday isn't just for Catholics.

I already have.

But the context of this argument is whether or not the vision in Revelations is Mary... If so, those who proclaim her (who are the remnant of her seed, as you would seem to want it) would keep the commandments of God.

The Roman church does not keep the commandments. Ergo, the interpretation does not align. It is quite likely that the woman is Israel.

[Cronos]

as the only Unitarian here arguing Christian dogmatics when Unitarians deny the Trinity, you really don’t have anything in common with metmom. Why would you deny the Trinity and the divinity of Christ and then jump on a thread debating the details of Christianity?

[roamer_1]

Except for Acts apparently.

Nothing in the Bible changes the Sabbath Day, nor the commandments of God...

[Cronos]

The gift of tongues was the gift to speak a known language for use in transmitting the gospel message to persons who spoke that particular language. In all cases when it was used, it was required that a translator be present and that only one person could use the gift at one time. Tongues were never used in the New Testament as a confirmation to believers, but as a confirmation to unbelievers of the reality of what they were being told. The apostle Paul considered the gift of tongues to be the least of the gifts, but charismatic believers fervently seek after it and place it at the top as the most favored and desirable. By turning the value of the gift upside down, they show that the gift is sought, not because of its spiritual value, but because of its display and exhibitionist qualities, and the subsequent claims to spirituality and prestige that are made when a person demonstrates what is said to be the gift.

[presently no screen name]

So now Iscool is the arbitrator to decide whether a person accepted Christ

Nope, that's not it at all. How can they accept if they don't hear. JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY and HIS WORD IS THE FINAL AUTHORITY. It's all about JESUS. Is that what Mother T taught them?

[D-fendr]

So you’re Jewish then.

Christian celebrate the Lord’s Day, the New Creation, on Sunday, as they have since Acts.

[presently no screen name]

You are the last person that should speak about what others are taught!!

and I showed her how wrong she was.

How laughable is that - defending heresy teaching!

God's WORD is the FINAL AUTHORITY. It's all about JESUS!

[presently no screen name]

EVERY DAY is The Lord’s Day for Christians. He lives within them. He never leaves nor forsakes them.

‘Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;’

Do you see anything about Mary in that Scripture?

[roamer_1]

So you’re Jewish then.

No. My alignments are well known here.

Christian celebrate the Lord’s Day, the New Creation, on Sunday, as they have since Acts.

No, there is nothing in the Bible that changes the Sabbath. It was Rome that changed it - And she declares it as her mark of authority... But she doesn't possess that authority. never did, and never will.

[D-fendr]

Your posts indicate someone really interested in looking for something to fight with Catholics about. Maybe you can kick something and release it that way.

I’m really not interested in it.

[D-fendr]

Christians, Protestant and Catholic, celebrate the Lord's Day on Sunday. It seems to me Protestants would rather shoot their dog than follow Catholics if it "ain't in Scripture."

My alignments are well known here.Not by me, but don't bother, I'm not the least concerned with which particular mix of Judaism and Christianity you've decided is scriptural. Take Sunday up with the Protestants on the thread; they're much more into that sort of do your own thing thing.

[D-fendr]

Formatting correction:

Christians, Protestant and Catholic, celebrate the Lord's Day on Sunday. It seems to me Protestants would rather shoot their dog than follow Catholics if it "ain't in Scripture."

My alignments are well known here.

Not by me, but don't bother, I'm not the least concerned with which particular mix of Judaism and Christianity you've decided is scriptural. Take Sunday up with the Protestants on the thread; they're much more into that sort of do your own thing thing.

[presently no screen name]

The gift of tongues was the gift to speak a known language for use in transmitting the gospel message to persons who spoke that particular language.

WRONG! Where did you get that teaching from? Obviously, not from God's Word.

In all cases when it was used, it was required that a translator be present and that only one person could use the gift at one time.

WRONG again. Only while in assembly.

Tongues were never used in the New Testament as a confirmation to believers, but as a confirmation to unbelievers of the reality of what they were being told.

WRONG again. How can an unbeliever use an unknown language - that what they can't understand - as proof of anything?

The apostle Paul considered the gift of tongues to be the least of the gifts,

WRONG again. In Corinthians, Paul says..thank God that I speak in tongues MORE THAN ALL OF YOU.

Since you are taught God's Word is not the final authority, you might want to take a hint and don't speak of the things of God. Your post displays the heresy you are taught.

[presently no screen name]

What you said is common knowledge - you 're not interested in TRUTH.

to fight with Catholics about

Victim mentality - so liberal! Goes hand in hand with the catholic vote of 54% for Barry.

Maryology is from the pit.

GOD'S WORD IS THE FINAL AUTHORITY.

[roamer_1]

Christians, Protestant and Catholic, celebrate the Lord's Day on Sunday.

That is irrelevant to the argument: The remnant of the seed of the woman have the testimony of Jesus, AND keep the commandments of God. Those who assume the vision is of Mary do NOT keep the commandments. That is just a bare fact. Ergo, the interpretation cannot be valid.

[D-fendr]

Victim mentality

Not really. Your post seemed to go to a lot of trouble to meld one thing onto another in order to transition to an attack, an old one covered many times before. It was awkward.

I deduced it was more about wanting to be against something rather than an attempt to discuss or learn or pursue truth.

And I'm not interested in being someone's venting venue. I've found it doesn't really help anyway, there's always something more going on that can't be satisfied by it.

[D-fendr]

That is irrelevant to the argument

It's relevant to why you pick Catholics rather than Protestants when both observe the Lord's Day.

Why is that?