Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Well, Mark, two things:
1) How does “to the best of their knowledge” square with the claim of infallibility?
2) What makes you think that we, two thousand years after the fact, are in a better position to have “discovered that some of the books were not, in fact, written by the individuals named”?
Just curious.
Just to clarify..I am speaking of someone who is a Christian struggling with a sin they have repented of, turned away from, such as alcohol, but then allowed themsleves to drink yet again...they have no tome to repent of this one sin you had mentioned might not be atoned for since without repentance there is no forgiveness of this sin.
But what you are also saying is if they "tried" but failed...then the "intention" is what Christ will look at? Doesn't seem quite fair to those who put in the hard work and did overcome their sin. He does say much about overcoming as you know.
What do you mean we are still instructed in the Judgement, there is no free pass?...I don't understand.... If Christ forgives our sin and paid the price for that then why would we fear any Judgement of our sins..if as you say the "intentions " would likely be favorable as well...?
Matthew 5:11-12"Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
The Pharisees lied about Jesus too, before they crucified Him. They misrepresented what He said and presented false testimony about Him, twisting His words.
Those men under the Law who prided themselves for keeping the Law, only did it outwardly. Remember, Jesus called them whitewashed tombs. All shining and clean (and religious) on the outside and full of rottenness on the inside.
Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks.
Luke 6:45 The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks.
And as a man thinks in his heart, so is he.
Unemployment is not an excuse for bad behavior. Being unemployed doesn’t change the person, only the lifestyle.
I know quite a few out of work. One guy for close to two years. He was nice before and as nice now. You are who you are in season or out of season.
We're going to have to into what is covered by infallibility. That's gong into doctrine and beliefs and does not extend to the naming of the books of the Bible - the important thing was the content, not the authors. Remember, it was considered hubris to sign one's name to these documents in the first century.
2) What makes you think that we, two thousand years after the fact, are in a better position to have “discovered that some of the books were not, in fact, written by the individuals named”?
Both Catholic and Protestant scholars have been working on this issue for centuries. Some of the information has come to light recently. And as yet, there are still a number of questions about the texts that we do have.
Unemployment is not an excuse for bad behavior. Being unemployed doesn’t change the person, only the lifestyle.
I know quite a few out of work. One guy for close to two years. He was nice before and as nice now. You are who you are in season or out of season.
I much agree.
BTW, I’m a part time college instructor/prof. Since when did that become a non-job?
LOL.
BTW, Have the clowns formed a new union on FR? I thought FR was union free?
Have you played it yet? Its bloody good fun, but takes a toll on the liquor cabinet.
Leave the thread.
Probably not many. I worked with a great number of Catholics before I got married and the biggest slacker going in the department was a full fledged member of the Knights of Columbus and everyone knew it.
How he kept is job as long as he did, is beyond me. Eventually the company got sick of it and he was axed.
There were a couple Catholics that were nice people, as the Catholics on this forum like to portray ALL Catholics to be, but they were certainly in the minority.
Beyond Jesus and the Church, I have no answer.
What do you mean we are still instructed in the Judgement, there is no free pass?...I don't understand.... If Christ forgives our sin and paid the price for that then why would we fear any Judgement of our sins..if as you say the "intentions " would likely be favorable as well...?
Christ pays the price for the sins that we repent of; He does not pay the price for those we don't. If you cannot repent of them, why should He bother at all? He has paid the price; but if you cannot repent, then that price is invalid.
Since the books are God-inspired, why the angst for who penned them?
The command was to HEAR and OBEY. Not question who He chose to pen His Word.
Certainly we join organizations for various reasons.
However, some orgs seem to collect certain personality types.
Fascinating.
Oh, good grief!
Thanks, PNSN. It takes a small army to keep them honest.
Stop this flame war NOW.
Understood.
Mark Bsnr wrote:
“... it was considered hubris to sign one’s name to these documents in the first century.”
So, Paul, James, Jude, and John (look at 2nd and 3rd John, and Revelation) are guilty of hubris? And, by the way, Peter identifies himself in the text of both 1st and 2nd Peter as the author of each, which would of course render the very text of both epistles false. So, which is it? The authors of the books of the canonical NT Scriptures are guilty of “hubris” or your statement is, shall we say, somewhat less than true, or at least cited without much thought from some unstated source?
He also wrote:
“Both Catholic and Protestant scholars have been working on this issue for centuries. Some of the information has come to light recently. And as yet, there are still a number of questions about the texts that we do have.”
Yes, some scholars who are identified with either the Catholic or Protestant wings of the Christians Church have been working on this and have said such thing. For example, virtually every member of the so-called “Jesus Seminar” would agreed with what you have said. And virtually all of them would, by your own definition given in earlier posts in this thread, have to be classified as unbelievers. So, are you agreeing with apostate scholars in denouncing the assertions of the early church?
Do you see the point of my confusion? Sometimes you seem to take great offense at some Protestants, other times the work Protestants is trustworthy and good, especially it seems when it calls into question the trustworthiness of the canonical Scriptures. Sometimes you seem to condemn to perdition some apostates, other times you commend them and accord them more veracity than the faithful early church fathers (who were in a much better position to know who wrote what).
Do you see where this is a little hard to follow?
Do not post to a Freeper who has been instructed to leave the thread.
So any of us if we die in a “state of sinning a sin not repented of”...though having been saved from sin prior....are still doomed for hell?
But your comment...Beyond Christ and the church you have no answer leaves one in the lurch....the question of ones salvation then is unsettled this side of heaven, from what I'm understanding you are saying, rather we all continue to face fearful Judgment because there is no security of the believer even if they gave their life to Christ and accepted his atonement for their sins. If even one sin is not repented of we are doomed? Correct?
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