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To: MarkBsnr
So we're back to square one..the individual has repented of their sins, but then they mess up and struggle with a particular sin which, from what I understand you're saying, if he's in that state of sin and dies then we have no clue if he's facing heaven...ref “intentions were good”... or hell ...ref..”Christ pays the price for the sins that we repent of; He does not pay the price for those we don't...if you cannot repent, then that price is invalid”.

So any of us if we die in a “state of sinning a sin not repented of”...though having been saved from sin prior....are still doomed for hell?

But your comment...Beyond Christ and the church you have no answer leaves one in the lurch....the question of ones salvation then is unsettled this side of heaven, from what I'm understanding you are saying, rather we all continue to face fearful Judgment because there is no security of the believer even if they gave their life to Christ and accepted his atonement for their sins. If even one sin is not repented of we are doomed? Correct?

13,740 posted on 10/20/2010 9:18:15 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww
So we're back to square one..the individual has repented of their sins, but then they mess up and struggle with a particular sin which, from what I understand you're saying, if he's in that state of sin and dies then we have no clue if he's facing heaven...ref “intentions were good”... or hell ...ref..”Christ pays the price for the sins that we repent of; He does not pay the price for those we don't...if you cannot repent, then that price is invalid”.

I cannot say if you are destined for heaven or hell right now. If you do not repent of your sins, then we are taught that the penalty is hellfire.

But your comment...Beyond Christ and the church you have no answer leaves one in the lurch....the question of ones salvation then is unsettled this side of heaven, from what I'm understanding you are saying, rather we all continue to face fearful Judgment because there is no security of the believer even if they gave their life to Christ and accepted his atonement for their sins. If even one sin is not repented of we are doomed? Correct?

You are being legalistic here. I believe that the Lord is going to ask about repentence, not accounting. Have you repented of your sins, or not? Yes or no. I do not read the Gospels as being that legalistic. Look at the dishonest steward, for instance. He was Judged on his repentence. Did he make every single thing right? No. But he showed repentence to his Lord and that is what counts.

13,744 posted on 10/20/2010 9:27:51 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (A puritan is a person who pours righteous indignation into the wrong things.)
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To: caww; RnMomof7; presently no screen name; boatbums; bkaycee; smvoice
That's certainly how I was taught it as a Catholic. Thus the need for going to confession every week.

If you went to confession late on Saturday and stayed out of trouble for about 12 hours, you were good for taking communion. But the catch was that you had to not sin after that because if you did, you'd go to hell if you died.

Now, I'm sure this is going to bring out the *That's not what the Catholic church teaches* crowd, but while they may find sone technicality in official RCC doctrine which supports their positions, it still is, in reality, just what the Catholic church does indeed teach, official doctrine notwithstanding.

Catholics are in bondage to the rules and regs that the Catholic church inflicts on them. There is no freedom in Christ for a Catholic. They consider it chutzpah to believe that one can be sure of making it to heaven in spite of what Scripture teaches, which is.....

1 John 5:12-14 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life. This is the confidence we have in approaching God: that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us.

13,746 posted on 10/20/2010 9:30:03 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: caww
.the individual has repented of their sins, but then they mess up and struggle with a particular sin which, from what I understand you're saying, if he's in that state of sin and dies then we have no clue if he's facing heaven...ref “intentions were good”... or hell ...ref..”Christ pays the price for the sins that we repent of; He does not pay the price for those we don't...if you cannot repent, then that price is invalid”.

So any of us if we die in a “state of sinning a sin not repented of”...though having been saved from sin prior....are still doomed for hell?

Your understanding of Roman Catholicism is accurate. It gives the believer no real sense of security or rest in Christ's finished work on the cross.

Instead, they must be on guard not to die while in a state of mortal sin, which is pretty constant from the moment they leave the confessional booth.

.the question of ones salvation then is unsettled this side of heaven, from what I'm understanding you are saying, rather we all continue to face fearful Judgment because there is no security of the believer even if they gave their life to Christ and accepted his atonement for their sins. If even one sin is not repented of we are doomed?

Exactly. Which is one reason Rome concocted the "mortal vs venial sin" pretense. Scripture doesn't break sin down into bad sin and badder sin. Scripture tells us anything not of faith is sin. Period. Therefore men require a Savior to be sacrificed to pay for sins that no man can pay for himself.

"Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins." -- 1 John 4:10


"If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed." -- John 8:36


13,762 posted on 10/20/2010 10:14:31 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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