Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
What is necessary is to leave the cults that exist outside Christ’s One Holy Apostolic Catholic Church (Orthodox, Oriental, Catholic, Assyrian) and outside the orthodox, traditional Christian Protestant groups like Traditional Lutherans (LCMS, WLCA etc), Traditional Anglicans, etc.
Where the Ekklesia is you see the fruits of the Holy Spirit
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
It’s not in a building or an institution.It’s in individual people who follow God’s WORD.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
To many institutions are guilty of vain glory , they have blinded themselves by deciding they know better than God’s WORD . The have become arrogant and legalistic limbo lands , their preachers do not believe God’s WORD and the proof is in the fruits their churches are bearing .
It’s interesting on how history is repeating itself.
Rom 10:1 Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
Rom 10:2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
Rom 10:3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
1Co 10:21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord’s table, and of the table of devils.
1Co 10:22 Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he?
INDEED.
AMEN! AMEN!
Isn’t it, in Rome’s case
agshysterism?
Personally, I’ll take freedom in Christ any day instead of putting myself back into the bondage inflicted by the [Roman] Catholic [farce].
Christ said that the truth would set us free and who the Son sets free is free indeed.
Performing religious tasks and obligations under coercion is not freedom in Christ.
INDEED. Well put.
A lot of the posts on y’all’s side indicate that the need for a liver transplant was passed a long time ago.
It may be miraculous that some are still functioning at all.
Even in times of despair and heartache where it would be so easy to chuck it all, a child of God will never lose his deep heart faith. He may run from God and try to live his life the way he wants, but it only leads to more heartache and after enough time goes by, he returns home. That is because his Heavenly Father has never given up on him, never stopped drawing him back, never stopped loving him and stands there waiting with open arms to welcome back and fully forgive because that is the kind of God he is and he never breaks his promises to us. God is NOT afraid of our doubts but is willing and waiting to answer everyone of them. We just have to trust him.
Well put.
Hank H was reportedly caught in very spiritually ‘questionable’ if not horrific . . . ‘questionable’ dealings with . . . certain aspects of . . . what he was . . . bequeathed, IIRC.
Claim him as a source at your own risk.
I personally find many of his assertions off the wall and devoid of solid truth.
THANKS FOR BEING SO UNMITIGATEDLY AND WHOLESALE WRONG.
Holy Spirit has already demonstrated HIS persistent approvel of all those groups.
Many thousands of individuals have been brought into a Saving RELATIONSHIP with Jesus and The Father through Holy Spirit’s operating in those groups.
Many thousands of people have been healed of serious and often deadly diseases in those groups around the world.
Go ahead and cast aspersions at your own risk. You will pay the price for it, in due course.
God is not mocked. Whatsoever a man sows, so shall he reap.
BTW, I once met John Wimber face to face in Tapei. He was the real deal and very anointed, humble and down to earth.
THANKS FOR BEING SO UNMITIGATEDLY AND WHOLESALE WRONG.
BTW, I once met John Wimber face to face in Tapei. He was the real deal and very anointed, humble and down to earth.
It’s not at all surprising to me that Holy Spirit disagrees with you wholesale about John Wimber et al.
For myself, I turn to kosta for hard information, especially about EO, i.e., Apostolic, theology (which he knows and expresses faithfully, even if he no longer accepts it) and the spirit of EO Christianity, but also about church history, Biblical manuscripts, the Greek Fathers. He seldom confuses his opinion with historical fact (though he may interpret the meaning of historical fact differently than I do).
. . . even when it makes their own faith out to look like it's based on myths and no different from any other of the myriads "manmade" religions.
Not sure how you arrive here: every question kosta has is based on fact and history. Kosta's not the only one in the world who knows this stuff, and it's good to be aware of it. Would you have a faith that depends on denial of indisputable facts? The conclusions kosta has arrived at are not the conclusions I arrive at, the interpretations he favors are not the interpretations I favor. I have disputed him in the past and likely will in the future in those areas in which I really do know more (which seldom come up).
I consider kosta a valuable resource (especially valuable since apparently the EO believers on FR can't stomach these threads!). Plus, he's always interesting -- and it helps that he's coherent!
Strange formulation! God the Son a/k/a Jesus -- sounds like a police BOLO! Maybe you meant "God the Son d/b/a Jesus"?
All I've seen is "financial irregularities" in relation to CRI... ok wait, now I see that the accusations include using donations for personal expenses and employing his wife as "director of planning". OK, he uses his inherited "ministry" as a personal fiefdom. His side of the story appears to be that all of his book royalties are rolled directly into the ministry funds and his compensation is significantly lower than if he just took the book money directly.
The way you phrased your post seemed to suggest something more sinister.
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