It really doesn't look that much like a head harpy though, does it...
Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
+++What??? I thought Protestants read their Bible?+++
We know how to rightly divide it and not cherry pick a verse out of context :)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2578704/posts?page=13016#13016
I see we have . . .
More wholesale falsehoods from the expert on same.
I just happen to think that most of the times you post to me, the most loving response, the best thing I can do is that I should reply with
REDEMPTIVE TRUTH.
Which, in this case is . . .
I have still not observed you apologize for this brazen untruth:
MarkBsnr:
“. . . and Quix’s outspoken
support for a hate document
that the original poster has apologized for.”
You may worship at the
icon to bearing false witness . . .
Proddys don’t.
I’m not aware that you have demonstrated the least understanding of authentic ‘man-up’ actions.
Else you’d act them out instead of blaming and shirking your responsibility to apologize.
LOL.
LOL.
Actually, I tend to take assaults and insults from the Rabid Clique sorts as back-handed compliments.
While some can’t rightly divide The Word; it, now appears they, also, can’t see the difference between supporting a poster vs. supporting a document. The effect of submitting to the bondage of blindness.
INDEED.
Ragaholicism tends to do that to perceptual skills and abilities as well as to some cognitions.
It really doesn't look that much like a head harpy though, does it...
So now you’re a self professed Catholic psychic.
And you have no time for The Word of God.
Score 1 for the RCC.
He's not at your Mass either...If you mean Jesus Christ, He is seated at the right hand of the Father...
Jesus left...He promised to send the Holy Spirit in His place...And He did...Jesus does not show up at any Catholic church...
If Jesus showed up at one of your churches, you would be bombarded with Protestants and you couldn't get 'em to leave...There wouldn't be room for any Catholics at a Catholic church...
Why are you bragging now? I’m not aware that you have demonstrated the least understanding of authentic ‘man-up’ actions.
For the fifth time, I get you. I understand you. I agree that you are totally unaware.
I guess that that is a privilege of academia. The lady did her part. She did man up and apologize. You haven't. I have had my regard for her restored. I have not had it restored for you. Is she more of a man than you?
Mark , truth is not determined by numbers . But even if truth was done by popular vote..we would have to beat the bushes to find the majority of those Catholics to get them to vote
The fact is the majority of catholics are only catholics when it is time to marry, baptize a baby or for that kids first communion.. and once again to be buried.. They are social or cultural catholics..not really "practicing " the faith..
When asked their religion, they say Catholic..because that is where they were raised..
One of the differences is, I do not morn the death of Schullers church ..I hope the people that went there find a church that will preach the gospel.. Schuller was a positive thinking teacher , never a Christian pastor. I celebrate the death of that church, just as I would celebrate the death of most of the seeker friendly and prosperity teachers like Olsteen and Warren
I do not celebrate the existence of any church that does not teach the gospel ... I do not care what name is on the door..
I believe in the trinity: God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. That said, Mary was nothing more than a human vessel for delivery of God the Son also known as Jesus.
Catholics put her on par with Jesus which is an incredible insult to Him. To say the she could intercede on our behalf is a disgrace to Jesus’s ultimate sacrifice.
But hey, keep up with your hail Marys if it makes you feel better.
"TELL ME NOW!!! WHICH DENOMINATION DO YOU BELONG TO!! TELL ME, OR PREPARE TO SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES!!! ANOTHER ROUND OF STRETCHING AND GENERAL TORTURE FROM THE BOOK OF DENOMINATIONS!!!"
How long before we crack? lol! OpusFR certainly found the secret torture that insures our compliance...lol!
Speaking for God yet again? That LaZBoy Throne in the Hall of Sunday Sports worship does wonders for the Peter Lorres of this world, doesn't it? Now that you believe that you are saved, you are king of the world, right?
IF we don't want to go to church, we don't go...We go because we want to...Not because we have to because we don't have to...
We go to church for fellowship, encouragement and worship...We go to hear the word of God preached...
We don't go to church to eat a cracker and pretend the cracker is Jesus Christ...We have no need to...Jesus Christ lives within us, even at home...
We are the church...Whether we are at a church building or we are wandering the isles of Wal-Mart...
I feel sorry for you guys that are constantly searching for Jesus; praying to dead people in hopes of getting a message to Jesus; coming in contact with a cracker thinking THAT is the only Jesus you'll ever know...
“... but I’m certainly beginning to feel the heat of this FRoman Inquisition.”
You flatter yourself. Your personal beliefs aren’t my interest.
I’m just going to keep publishing all the beliefs of the various non-Catholic groups.
I find it fascinating that each one can claim the authority of their own interpretation of Scripture and yet, they all are in opposition to each other.
The HS is not schizophrenic or MPD, (my age is showing) now it is called Dissociative Disorder.
How do you know what we do in our homes?
In the early Catholic church people stood ...you can see the remnant of that practice in some of the Orthodox church that still stand ..standing is harder than kneeling..especially when the butt is rested against the seat behind you :)
Can you show us where jesus taught that as the proper position for prayer?
Mark why do you kneel in church?
Mark , truth is not determined by numbers . But even if truth was done by popular vote..we would have to beat the bushes to find the majority of those Catholics to get them to vote
The good Dr. E. made a claim that the Church was diminishing; I showed her that that claim was not true. Yet another claim not true, along with the clown ministries, which are rife in even such as the OPC and not in the Catholic Church.
I'm not sure what you mean by the voting reference.
One of the differences is, I do not morn the death of Schullers church ..I hope the people that went there find a church that will preach the gospel.. Schuller was a positive thinking teacher , never a Christian pastor. I celebrate the death of that church, just as I would celebrate the death of most of the seeker friendly and prosperity teachers like Olsteen and Warren
I've been there; I had a girlfriend who was hooked on him. I do not mourn the death of the franchise either; I agree that it was never Christian and not Gospel oriented.
I do not celebrate the existence of any church that does not teach the gospel ... I do not care what name is on the door..
Words have meanings. When I am assured that five verses from Paul constitute the entire Gospel, then I will dismiss every entity that resembles the institution that that came from.
How do you know that guy is not an angel??? Because he doesn't have wings and a halo???
Matthew 26:36-46 Then Jesus went with his disciples to a place called Gethsemane, and he said to them, “Sit here while I go over there and pray.” 37 He took Peter and the two sons of Zebedee along with him, and he began to be sorrowful and troubled. 38 Then he said to them, “My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death. Stay here and keep watch with me.” 39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.” 40 Then he returned to his disciples and found them sleeping. “Could you men not keep watch with me for one hour?” he asked Peter. 41 “Watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation. The spirit is willing, but the body is weak.” 42 He went away a second time and prayed, “My Father, if it is not possible for this cup to be taken away unless I drink it, may your will be done.” 43 When he came back, he again found them sleeping, because their eyes were heavy. 44 So he left them and went away once more and prayed the third time, saying the same thing. 45 Then he returned to the disciples and said to them, “Are you still sleeping and resting? Look, the hour is near, and the Son of Man is betrayed into the hands of sinners. 46 Rise, let us go! Here comes my betrayer!
Luke 22:39-46 Jesus went out as usual to the Mount of Olives, and his disciples followed him. 40 On reaching the place, he said to them, “Pray that you will not fall into temptation.” 41 He withdrew about a stone’s throw beyond them, knelt down and prayed, 42 “Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.” 43 An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him. 44 And being in anguish, he prayed more earnestly, and his sweat was like drops of blood falling to the ground. 45 When he rose from prayer and went back to the disciples, he found them asleep, exhausted from sorrow. 46 “Why are you sleeping?” he asked them. “Get up and pray so that you will not fall into temptation.”
Mark 14:32-42 They went to a place called Gethsemane, and Jesus said to his disciples, “Sit here while I pray.” 33 He took Peter, James and John along with him, and he began to be deeply distressed and troubled. 34 “My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death,” he said to them. “Stay here and keep watch.” 35 Going a little farther, he fell to the ground and prayed that if possible the hour might pass from him. 36 “Abba, Father,” he said, “everything is possible for you. Take this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will.” 37 Then he returned to his disciples and found them sleeping. “Simon,” he said to Peter, “are you asleep? Could you not keep watch for one hour? 38 Watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation. The spirit is willing, but the body is weak.” 39 Once more he went away and prayed the same thing. 40 When he came back, he again found them sleeping, because their eyes were heavy. They did not know what to say to him. 41 Returning the third time, he said to them, “Are you still sleeping and resting? Enough! The hour has come. Look, the Son of Man is betrayed into the hands of sinners. 42 Rise! Let us go! Here comes my betrayer!”
I’m often prone during Adoration. It just seems perfect. I guess if kneeling or being prostrate is good enough for Jesus Christ, it is good enough for all.
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