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To: MarkBsnr; Dr. Eckleburg
Presbyterians do not kneel at church and they do not kneel at home; you couldn't figure out a place where or when Presbyterians actually do kneel. Fail.

How do you know what we do in our homes?

In the early Catholic church people stood ...you can see the remnant of that practice in some of the Orthodox church that still stand ..standing is harder than kneeling..especially when the butt is rested against the seat behind you :)

Can you show us where jesus taught that as the proper position for prayer?

Mark why do you kneel in church?

13,197 posted on 10/19/2010 5:08:07 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (Some call me harpy..God calls me His)
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To: RnMomof7; MarkBsnr

Matthew 26:36-46 Then Jesus went with his disciples to a place called Gethsemane, and he said to them, “Sit here while I go over there and pray.” 37 He took Peter and the two sons of Zebedee along with him, and he began to be sorrowful and troubled. 38 Then he said to them, “My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death. Stay here and keep watch with me.” 39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.” 40 Then he returned to his disciples and found them sleeping. “Could you men not keep watch with me for one hour?” he asked Peter. 41 “Watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation. The spirit is willing, but the body is weak.” 42 He went away a second time and prayed, “My Father, if it is not possible for this cup to be taken away unless I drink it, may your will be done.” 43 When he came back, he again found them sleeping, because their eyes were heavy. 44 So he left them and went away once more and prayed the third time, saying the same thing. 45 Then he returned to the disciples and said to them, “Are you still sleeping and resting? Look, the hour is near, and the Son of Man is betrayed into the hands of sinners. 46 Rise, let us go! Here comes my betrayer!

Luke 22:39-46 Jesus went out as usual to the Mount of Olives, and his disciples followed him. 40 On reaching the place, he said to them, “Pray that you will not fall into temptation.” 41 He withdrew about a stone’s throw beyond them, knelt down and prayed, 42 “Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.” 43 An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him. 44 And being in anguish, he prayed more earnestly, and his sweat was like drops of blood falling to the ground. 45 When he rose from prayer and went back to the disciples, he found them asleep, exhausted from sorrow. 46 “Why are you sleeping?” he asked them. “Get up and pray so that you will not fall into temptation.”

Mark 14:32-42 They went to a place called Gethsemane, and Jesus said to his disciples, “Sit here while I pray.” 33 He took Peter, James and John along with him, and he began to be deeply distressed and troubled. 34 “My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death,” he said to them. “Stay here and keep watch.” 35 Going a little farther, he fell to the ground and prayed that if possible the hour might pass from him. 36 “Abba, Father,” he said, “everything is possible for you. Take this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will.” 37 Then he returned to his disciples and found them sleeping. “Simon,” he said to Peter, “are you asleep? Could you not keep watch for one hour? 38 Watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation. The spirit is willing, but the body is weak.” 39 Once more he went away and prayed the same thing. 40 When he came back, he again found them sleeping, because their eyes were heavy. They did not know what to say to him. 41 Returning the third time, he said to them, “Are you still sleeping and resting? Enough! The hour has come. Look, the Son of Man is betrayed into the hands of sinners. 42 Rise! Let us go! Here comes my betrayer!”

I’m often prone during Adoration. It just seems perfect. I guess if kneeling or being prostrate is good enough for Jesus Christ, it is good enough for all.


13,200 posted on 10/19/2010 5:14:30 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: RnMomof7
I have no idea what you do in your home. I can only take the testimony of the good Dr. E. as her practices. By the way, we kneel and pray together as a full family every night before bedtime, as well as in public prayer, as well as individual and private prayer. Would you be willing to contribute?

In the early Catholic church people stood ...you can see the remnant of that practice in some of the Orthodox church that still stand ..standing is harder than kneeling..especially when the butt is rested against the seat behind you :)

A combination. The Nicene Council of 325 said that public prayer of the congregation on Sundays will be done standing - the rest of the prayers done by the priest were not addressed. The weekday Masses were also not addressed.

Can you show us where jesus taught that as the proper position for prayer?

In the Garden, Jesus knelt in prayer. He prayed harder than He ever did during His Incarnation in that position.

Mark why do you kneel in church?

No room for prostration, I suppose. I kneel because I am humbling myself physically and therefore mentally and spiritually before God. I worship Him. He is God. How can I not humble myself completely before the King of Kings?

13,207 posted on 10/19/2010 5:34:49 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (A puritan is a person who pours righteous indignation into the wrong things.)
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To: RnMomof7; kosta50; MarkBsnr
In the early Catholic church people stood ...you can see the remnant of that practice in some of the Orthodox church that still stand

Ah, now now, the Orthodox stand AND Kneel, they don't only stand. Since I'm no expert on this, let me ask kosta if he knows of any Orthodox CHurches that only stand and don't kneel

And, of course, if you were Catholic at any point, you'd know that we do stand during Mass --> not enough, I agree. And, I also hate those inclined kneelers. In my church here we kneel on the ground -- which can be painful when you have to kneel continuously for the rosary! And even worse if the temperature is -30C!
13,327 posted on 10/20/2010 2:07:55 AM PDT by Cronos (This Church is Holy,theOne Church,theTrue Church,theCatholic Church - St. Augustine)
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