Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Me: < suppressed giggling>
Good one. Giggles for Jesus is a ministry that I hadn't run across before.
Like I said, it was just a start. :o)
I am curious though, why would you defend someone who fosters doubts about what your very own faith teaches (tradition?)? Is it because it is against a known "non-Catholic"? I am disappointed.
Jesus also taught that to call your brother a "fool" was the same as murdering him. Do you think, just maybe, he was speaking about the "spirit" of an act? Praying in public "To be seen of men" is speaking to motive in the act and not an admonition against praying where others may see or hear you.
Why am I not surprised?
In Ecclesiastes 2:2, the author complains that laughter is "madness", asking "what does it accomplish?"
Psalm 2:4 tells us that God, in heaven, laughs and scoffs at the kings of this earth "in derision".
Psalm 37:13 says the Lord laughs at the wicked, for "their day is coming".
But for the faithful, Genesis 21:6 tells us that laughter is an appropriate response to God's blessings, Job 8:21 promises laughter for those afflicted by Satan, and Psalm 126:2 says laughter is a sign to unbelieving nations that God has done great things for us.
As Christians, we should learn to laugh more.
You’ve got the “Gollum” talk down good! We likes. ;o)
My larger point is that there is nothing possible of the sort of hard objective proof for anything on this level for this time period. (I’m not sure if it is even possible for our own time period.)
However, absence of evidence, etc…
What does one do, in your opinion, with the realm of religion, the search for truth about reality past that possible with reason/logic, in this case?
Is certain objective historical accuracy the only way, the only knowledge possible? And therefore, in this area, knowledge is impossible?
My opinion is that we continuing believers need to reach out and show him that he is still accepted and a vital member of our community. We know and have known of many who have that crisis of faith; it is not just Biblical; it is real. You might jettison Kosta? I consider him more Christian than most of the so called Christian posters on FR.
Try rereading the OT prophets including Psalms and find out how many of them experienced abandonment and wrote agonizing verses of Scripture.
and he was drawing a contrast with those who made a show of their prayers as both Jesus and his disciples prayed in public. His disciples were not to do as the hypocrites.
Jesus didn't violate his own precepts.
And nearly every one of those denominations preaches the Gospel of Jesus Christ with more truth and clarity and grace than Rome.
Tell me, why does an intelligent person like yourself just accept such an all-important doctrine of the legitimacy of the written words of God simply because he is told to? Do you not owe it to yourself to investigate the truth?
If you were to repent from prayers to the false Mary, perhaps the Father would call you to his Son, and fill the emptyness that is so evident in your every communication here.
AMEN!
God willing.
"Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen." -- 1 Timothy 1:17
More precisely, to repeat over and over again.
Don’t forget that kosta was the one who changed the subject and made this about prayer.
In kost’s post 12,770 he was musing on why Protestants/Presbyterians even went to church.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2578704/posts?page=12770#12770
My response was “We go to church because we want to, to worship in fellowship with other believers, not because we are threatened with hellfire and damnation if we don’t.”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2578704/posts?page=12963#12963
At which point he changed the subject to prayer instead of worship- post 12,982
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2578704/posts?page=12982#12982
And has been single mindedly pursuing that discussion since then. Why did he change the subject, I wonder?
One could reasonably come to the conclusion that Catholics were PWND with that response and couldn’t handle the heat.
Getting back to the subject, Protestants go to church on Sundays out of a desire to and to worship in fellowship with other believers. We go freely, not out of compulsion laid on us by the church we attend due to threats of mortal sin and hellfire and brimstone.
Does that rankle Catholics that we have that freedom to go or not go as we please, in the freedom we have in Christ, as opposed to being forced to attend because of threats imposed on us of committing a mortal sin and risking our eternal salvation if we don’t get to the obligatory confession the following Saturday?
So, kosta, why DID you change the subject?
Gamecock, over here!
I never realized Rome had such rapport with agnosticism.
Personally, I’ll take freedom in Christ any day instead of putting myself back into the bondage inflicted by the Catholic church.
Christ said that the truth would set us free and who the Son sets free is free indeed.
Performing religious tasks and obligations under coercion is not freedom in Christ.
I apologize if my typing is a little slurred. We have just invented a new drinking game called DRECK. Every time Dr. Eck uses the word Rome disparagingly we have to take a drink. A few more days on this thread and I am going to need a liver transplant.
I haven't "jettisoned" Kosta at all. I have been communicating with him for over a year both on open forums and through FreepMail. I pray often that he sees the truth. I just question why it seems few Catholics here do little more than praise his every post even when it makes their own faith out to look like it's based on myths and no different from any other of the myriads "manmade" religions. I would think this is an area where we can stand together as believers to counter the disbelief. We have plenty of ammunition we can use to give an anwswer to everyone that asks us of the reason of the hope that is within us.
And, yes, many people go through periods of doubt. My junior year of Bible College brought me to the point of asking why? I seriously thought about quitting. And because my heart was open to him, the Lord gave me the answers and the assurances that I was in the right place and that what I was learning was the truth.
Even in times of despair and heartache where it would be so easy to chuck it all, a child of God will never lose his deep heart faith. He may run from God and try to live his life the way he wants, but it only leads to more heartache and after enough time goes by, he returns home. That is because his Heavenly Father has never given up on him, never stopped drawing him back, never stopped loving him and stands there waiting with open arms to welcome back and fully forgive because that is the kind of God he is and he never breaks his promises to us. God is NOT afraid of our doubts but is willing and waiting to answer everyone of them. We just have to trust him.
Great! Thanks!
ROFL!!! The other game is "White Hanky." You can guess the rules. ;-D
Why wait?
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