Perhaps the good lady attends a priestess guided worship community. This is the true Toronto blessing:
Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Jesus was not God? Or did Mary give birth to two persons, one human and one God?
But it was close!
Here’s Vinyard:
The Association of Vineyard Churches, also known as the Vineyard Movement, is a neocharismatic evangelical Christian denomination[2] with over 1,500 affiliated churches worldwide.[1] It has been associated with the “Signs and Wonders” movement,[3]:199 the Toronto blessing,[3]:222 the Kansas City Prophets[3]:160 and a particular style of Christian worship music.[3]:212
WIKIPEDIA
BUT
The Toronto Blessing is not received by other fundies
“There are three things that are often told to people going to receive ministry in meetings involved with the so-called Toronto Blessing. I’m going to describe these things shortly and show why they harshly contradict Bible; then I’m going to draw some conclusions.”
No accord there.
I’ll have to stop and post tmo. There are just so many metmom could belong to. In fact, all those on these threads who won’t identify. and that is fine with me, might belong to any one of them.
I’ll just have to keep posting all of them. And their differences, and the fact that they are in competition with each other, and the fact that it is either the HS who is confused (and I don’t think so, senior), or it is everyone else who determines what is right in their own eyes.
True. You spoke about meeting as often as you want to; as it occurs to you to; as it comes into your head to.
Catholics have the opportunity to meet every single day; at the very least once per week.
Acts 4: 31 5 As they prayed, the place where they were gathered shook, and they were all filled with the holy Spirit and continued to speak the word of God with boldness. 32 6 The community of believers was of one heart and mind, and no one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they had everything in common. 33 With great power the apostles bore witness to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great favor was accorded them all. 34 There was no needy person among them, for those who owned property or houses would sell them, bring the proceeds of the sale, 35 and put them at the feet of the apostles, and they were distributed to each according to need. 36 Thus Joseph, also named by the apostles Barnabas (which is translated "son of encouragement"), a Levite, a Cypriot by birth, 37 sold a piece of property that he owned, then brought the money and put it at the feet of the apostles.
The earliest Christians met every single day.
While you're at it, could you please find some reference in the Bible about the distinction between mortal and venial sins?
More incomplete catechism?
1 John 5:, Luke 12. Yet one may repent of one's sin.
Perhaps we could ask our fellow posters to raise their hand when you come to their denomination...
I’m sure that the evidence produced will be of the top shelf quality...
Let us go back to the list of heresies and see which ones you profess here. Jesus is not God? Nice. Do you side with those who think that they will grow up to be their own gods and run their own universe?
How many times before the cock crows? I guess some are to embarrassed or ashamed of the Church they belong to to proclaim it to the world.
“I’d say they are ‘worldly’.”
I would too!
Next church up:
Creflo Augustus Dollar, Jr. is an American Word of Faith teacher, pastor, and the founder of the non-denominational World Changers Church International based in Fulton County, Georgia.[1] Creflo Dollar Ministerial Association (formerly called International Covenant Ministries), Creflo Dollar Ministries, and Arrow Records.[2] Each of these enterprises is overseen by Dollar and his wife, Taffi Dollar.
Dollar is known for his controversial teachings of Prosperity theology.[9] He has been criticized for his lavish lifestyle as he owns two Rolls-Royces, a private jet, a million dollar home in Atlanta, and a 2.5 million dollar home in Manhattan.[9] Dollar has refused to disclose his salary and Creflo Dollar Ministries received a grade of “F” for financial transparency by the organization MinistryWatch.[9][13]
WIKIPEDIA
Prosperty Gospel?
Prosperity theology (also known as prosperity doctrine, the health and wealth gospel, or the prosperity gospel) is a religious belief found among “tens of millions”[1] of Christians, primarily in the United States, centered on the notion that God provides material prosperity for those he favors.[2] It has been defined by the belief that “Jesus blesses believers with riches”[1] or more specifically as the teaching that “believers have a right to the blessings of health and wealth and that they can obtain these blessings through positive confessions of faith and the ‘sowing of seeds’ through the faithful payments of tithes and offerings.”[3] In the words of journalist Hanna Rosin, the prosperity gospel “is not a clearly defined denomination, but a strain of belief that runs through the Pentecostal Church and a surprising number of mainstream evangelical churches, with varying degrees of intensity.”[1][2] It arose in the United States after World War II championed by Oral Roberts and became particularly popular in the decade of the 1990s.[1] More recently, the theology has been exported to less prosperous areas of the world, with mixed results.[4]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosperity_theology
Hmmmm...Christ was rich? He had Matthew to carry his cash and spare sandals? s/
Pentecostal next!
I hope Jim doesn’t mind. I’m going to use bandwidth at a ferocious rate due to the sheer number!
You just proved my point that even when someone reads the Bible it's possible for them to not understand what love is. I just READ your heart
Its a feature of bibliolatry.
Perhaps the good lady attends a priestess guided worship community. This is the true Toronto blessing:
Pentecostal
“Pentecostalism is a renewal movement within Christianity that places special emphasis on a direct personal experience of God through the baptism in the Holy Spirit.[1] The term Pentecostal is derived from Pentecost, a Greek term describing the Jewish Feast of Weeks. For Christians, this event commemorates the descent of the Holy Spirit upon the followers of Jesus Christ, as described in the second chapter of the Book of Acts.[2] Pentecostals tend to see their movement as reflecting the same kind of spiritual power, worship styles and teachings that were found in the early church. For this reason, some Pentecostals also use the term Apostolic or full gospel to describe their movement.
Pentecostalism is an umbrella term that includes a wide range of different theologies and cultures.[3] For example, many Pentecostals are Trinitarian and others are Nontrinitarian.[4] As a result, there is no single central organization or church that directs the movement. Many Pentecostal groups are affiliated with the Pentecostal World Conference”
WIKIPEDIA
That’s a huge, unbridgeable gulf: Trinitarian and Nontrinitarian.
It’s completely, diametrically opposed and cannot be reconciled.
*Much like the support and accord Unitarians and non-Catholic Christians evince in being anti-Catholic.
No accord, but aligned in their hate.
Catholics do not take or eschew action at the bidding of the likes of you.
That’s either Roseanne or a very young (and...stuffed? Porkly?) Rosey O’Donnell.
The weird part of looking at these different churches is that all of them proclaim sola scriptura and then go off at tangents to each other.
INDEED.
We know that the enemy has assaulted Christ’s UNIQUE Deity as well as His Substitutionary Death and His Resurrection from the beginning.
They won’t be letting up until they are banished from the cosmos.
LOL.
Thx.
I think. LOL.
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