Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
You are so THOROUGHLY WRONG yet again.
Before Jesus my Lord, I have absolutely no conviction or awareness of anything at all to apologize toward you about.
On the contrary . . .
Masons are verbotten in most mainstream Protestant churches, although I believe some Baptists have softened on that.
They’ve been barred from Catholicism since forever.
Masons will disagree about the above statements.
When I first approached the Church, I asked them if there was anything that might stand in my way if I should choose to pursue joining the Church. “Well, are you a Mason...?” was the only question asked.
Completely agree. We all know how "history" is usually written by the victor - that is an old adage, even. We DO have eyewitness accounts and they have been preserved for thousand of years, but that is where faith comes in when it is in regards to things of God. I trust that God is the one who has ensured the survival of his written words. He used people AND miracles to do so. The evidence is there for those willing to look beyond what can be proved beyond a doubt - and God is NOT afraid of doubts.
Perhaps some accounting scribe detailing inventory could be objective.
Other than that “objective history” is a relatively recent concept.
Josephus writes of James the Just, John the Baptist, the High Priest Annas, Pontius Pilate, and Jesus called the Messiah. Portions of his writing on Jesus are added by a copyist, but current scholarship holds the portion of the Testimonium is accurate as regards Jesus as a miracle worker, teacher and revered after His death.
Josephus own bias is not securely known, speculation runs from Pharisee to Ebonite Christian.
Our knowledge from “objective” sources is, at best, very limited.
I don’t believe we can discount non-objective sources. I’m not sure there are any, or that we should expect them. Who would write that did not have a stake or purpose? And, as I’ve said, the very idea of objective history does not compute for the writers of the time.
My Blue Lodge had the gamut - although I was probably the only (at the time lapsed) Catholic - and we would frequently go to Sunday service on kind of a rotation. Wearing the Masonic aprons and in regalia, by the way. The long term eventual Treasurer was Jewish and we would rent out the hall to them each Saturday (they would set the crockpots going on Fridays so that they would not do work on the Sabbath). The Secretary was Methodist; we had a couple of Presbyterians in there, a couple of Anglicans and so on.
When I first approached the Church, I asked them if there was anything that might stand in my way if I should choose to pursue joining the Church. “Well, are you a Mason...?” was the only question asked.
Yup. I was no better catechized than a bunch of the ex Catholics here.
Quix, for the fourth time, I get it. I understand. Why can't you take 'yes' for an answer?
And 3,040,000 hits on Catholic clown worship.
You guys invented it. Deal with it.
And again, for clarity’s sake, the Roman Catholic church is dwindling in the United States. Four times as many Roman Catholics leave Rome as those who join Rome.
http://pewforum.org/Faith-in-Flux%283%29.aspx
The rule is not that we can’t make reference to other threads or use the same information from one thread to another.
We’re not supposed to bring personal arguments from one thread to another.
Learn the difference, Judith.
Catholic clown worship gets 3,040,000 hits.
I just happen to think that most of the times you post to me, the most loving response, the best thing I can do is that I should reply with
REDEMPTIVE TRUTH.
Which, in this case is . . .
I have still not observed you apologize for this brazen untruth:
MarkBsnr:
“. . . and Quix’s outspoken
support for a hate document
that the original poster has apologized for.”
BTW,
Thanks for the 19th Station of the
Stations of the White Hanky:
19. Icon to the haughty tyrannical !!!!DEMAND!!!! for an apology to imagined wrongs that never happened.
OOOPS! You didn't ping me, Mark. And the other day you were sooo anxious about just that kind of slip-up.
Nope. They "all" worship God alone.
Unlike Roman Catholic apologists who spread their love around.
My, it must be such a heavy responsibility, being boss of all the Catholics. Especially when none of them care what you post, and very few of them bother to read any of it.
I haven't given a whole lot of study, but my first thoughts are that Peter did preach of the Kingdom and his main congregation was composed of the Jewish Christians. Their understanding of the gospel was how God related to the Jewish nation by sending the Messiah who would establish his kingdom on earth for an everlasting heritage to them. The various laws and practices and rituals were geared towards that nation - the people of promise. Peter's mission to them was to bring them to an understanding of who Jesus actually was and to prepare them to follow God through Christ in obedience, worship and honor.
Paul was called to be the apostle to the gentiles. His Gospel of Jesus Christ's death, burial and resurrection for our sins being offered as a gift of grace received by faith was a new message because the promises had always been to the Jews. Through Paul, a Jew, God opened wide the gates to salvation for all who would come to Christ. He also proclaimed the unheard of doctrine that the gentile would be grafted into the vine and would be adopted as sons into the family of God through faith in the grace God had so freeing given.
This may or may not be the exact assertion smvoice is speaking of, but I think I understand it and actually have very little that I would disagree with.
I don't believe Peter and the others were proclaiming a different, or accursed gospel from what Paul was preaching. There is only one way to be saved and it is through faith in Jesus Christ as God who came to earth, born of a virgin, lived a sinless life, preached his message and assembled his team to establish his church so that all the world would know. He was slain horribly upon a cross, he was buried and then rose again after three days in the tomb. His death was for the sins of all the world past, present and future and promises eternal life in heaven for all who will believe in him.
This is the gospel Jesus taught and his apostles then took unto all the world. Their faithfulness to this duty is evidenced by the very fact, 2000 years later, we are still believing, still growing in our faith, still spreading the good news and still bringing glory to God.
Protestants read the Bible; therefore Protestants know what true worship is. Protestants understand that Christ was sacrificed once for all the sins of His flock. Protestants know that Christ has overcome the world and His job is finished. Because Protestants read the Bible and have been given faith in Christ as Lord, God and Redeemer, they attend church with like-minded believers to glorify God and to thank Him for the gift of His Son's sacrifice on their behalf.
Rome builds its faith on the shifting sands of repeated sacrifices for endless recursive sins. Rome ignorantly presumes its "alter Christus" can call Christ down from heaven and serve Him up as so much chopped liver on a cracker.
Rome looks to the physical world for the truth that is spiritual and is discerned by minds renewed by the Holy Spirit.
Rome reveals a lack of that gift by the Holy Spirit, and its worship reflects that absence.
Pray for it.
"And again, praise the Lord, all ye Gentiles; and laud him, all ye people." -- Romans 15:11
Clown Communion at the Westminster Presbyterian Church is your guys.
An Empire built on lies — are you talking about the Unitarians who deny the Trinity and the divinity of Christ?
Actually, no, if you read through Pope Benedict’s points which have been to repeat Michael Paleologus, to all but end talks with the CoE, to repeat discussions with our theologically close brethern — the Orthodox and orthodox, traditional Anglicans and Lutherans, then this shows that there is no aim at uniting in any way with the factions who do not share our beliefs. The Church is not a member of the WCC, but many smaller Protestant groupings are. These WCC folks are the germ of the one World religion.
Yep. One.
Compared to 3,040,000 Catholic Clown worship.
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