Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
That will last 6 minutes.
I wouldn’t vote for Hillary or Obama....but my point is when politics and religion are in disarray this touches every part of society. Unreasonable and wacky ideas surface if for no other reason than to test the waters. The church had issues with Idols/Images in the church not only within the church leadership but with Rome and it’s leadership...the powers that be were struggling for position and just as in our politics things are said and done that simply are positioning and not necessarily factual. History records them according to the authors positions/side he may take...they framed History then and they do now. At best we can get the general idea of what happened in the Catholic Church at that time...surely they were split on the issue of Idolatry and the Images brought into the church.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
Good point. The other group seem pretty terminal.
Like it or not there remain some people too damn stupid to comprehend the difference between a cult and a benevolent fraternal order.
As I see it Catholics accord is primarily based on the Pope and church memebership in the Catholic church.... Where as the accord which we non-Catholics hold to is Christ, His death, Burial and Ressurection,and Coming King. We may differ on secondary issues but Christ and His word are our authority and the ultimate authority. This is what the threads have revealed to me...regardless of the church denomination.
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I don’t know you form Adam and you don’t know me. I am cradle Eastern Orthodox, so I would naturally find myself with my Cathoic brothers on issues that have to deal with theology and ecclesiology. I didn’t grow into a God-hating atheist or a Chuch-hating Protestant. My agnosis is simply admission of ingorance about what God is.
I have still not observed you apologize for this brazen untruth:
MarkBsnr:
“. . . and Quix’s outspoken
support for a hate document
that the original poster has apologized for.”
BTW,
Thanks for the 19th Station of the
Stations of the White Hanky:
19. Icon to the haughty tyrannical !!!!DEMAND!!!! for an apology to imagined wrongs that never happened.
Sorry, I can percieve no contact whatsoever between what you promote and Christ.
Catholicism is the worship of humanity and it’s works.
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Have you ever considered what it will be like to be held accountable for twisting the testimony of others?
You do it so glibly and freely, but do you not see what you are doing?
If Benny Hinn were to do it to you, what would you do? Would you sue him? Curse him?
All will be accounted for. God’s word says so.
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One God, one Christ, one Holy Spirit, one Church.
We really don’t have an unbiased source for anything of the time - not about the Pharisees, Saducees, Essenes, etc. etc.
“History,” even the thinly-veiled unbiased history books we have now, did not exists until much later. Josephus writes from his point of view, the Jewish writers their’s, Christians their’s and so on for all the “history” we have of these times.
So, if we’re going to require extra-biblical, extra-Christian, extra-judaism, objective history, we really have nothing. So, “what we know” has to either be nothing or be based on the sources we have with whatever conditions and scholarship, archeology, etc. that we can apply.
Again the secrecy and oaths/rituals should not be part of a Christians life...no matter how sanitized they are made to appear.
I didn't start it. If you want to accuse someone of carrying something thread to thread, we can start with your continual harping on denominational affiliation, which you have been told in no uncertain terms was trolling and to not engage in.
So, if something is forbidden on one thread as trolling, then you don't think it's forbidden on other threads? Do the mods have to forbid it specifically on each thread for you?
What about all these digs at Quix with the UFO stuff? That's carrying something from thread to thread?
Why do Catholics insist on two sets of rules? One for them to obey and one for everyone else to obey? One that let's them post as they please, and one that allows them to control the discussion?
Shall we ping the mods and find out if something that was forbidden on one thread is forbidden on other threads as well?
Which, thankfully, has virtually
NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the structure, organization, congregations or boundaries
of the Roman Catholic Church
except as incidentally there are individual believers truly putting Jesus first in their lives who happen to be part of such congregations.
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