IN
WRONG
are soooooooooo
fun to watch!
LOL
Though I'd think it'd get
rather tiresome
to be WRONG so often!
Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
thnx.
Let's look at these 3 words.
Scripture, the inerrant Word of God.
Tradition, customs practiced for a long time. The Spartans had a custom/tradition of killing deformed babies. So it's easy to see that just because something is a custom doesn't mean it's good, or true.
Magisterium, a bunch of old men who were politically astute enough to rise to the top of a hierarchy. The Politburo of the former USSR was a bunch of old men who rose to the top of a hierarchy and they sure were not good.
So if I'm looking at the 3 words for the source of Truth I know what I'll rely on.
I didn’t say that I had ever seen the movie, other than advertising trailers.
I was just commenting on the social similarity between it and your post :o)
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Seriously, what would you say to be the correct interpretation.
I have elsewhere tried to lay a basis for distinguishing between 'the traditions of men' or what you call (In the words you quote) 'their own traditions'.
We will, I think reasonably, continue to claim that Sacred Tradition is not "our own" or "of men," but we can address that in detail another time, I guess.
What it looks like to me, though, is a kind of unexplained discontinuity, whether the canon was closed late in the 1st century or a couple of hundred years later.
The role of some 'books' is indisputable; the Bereans were indeed noble. But still there was verbal instruction, there may even have been notes scratched on a, koff koff, semi-eradicated palimpsest (gotta love it) such as, "Grouchy says be urgent in season and out of season, gotta take it up a notch. Buy more wine."
So in what seems to have been a gradual process of closing and certifying the canon, it seems your side is proposing that one day 'the faithful' said, "Okay, gang: canon's closed; forget everything else, from now on, it don't say 'Hanes' unless the canon says it says 'Hanes'."
I suppose that could have happened ...
Which Pharisees thought that their laws and traditions were loving to God, that Christ condemned? If you know what they thought, you must know who they are.
I suppose that I should pay attention to an expert.
So many of your posts are gibberish.
So many? How many is so many? 1? 5? 100? All? Come on, even harpies can be explicit.
You post nasty comments about individual people.
Which individual people? Are you an individual people? I'd like you to prove it.
You make sarcastic statements that have no foundation in reality nor do they have anything to do with the topic being discussed.
Prove it.
You post stupidity and ignorance.
Prove it. Put up or shut up.
You’re in the right church.
The Church created by the Lord Jesus Christ? Correct.
Paul was "all things to all men" (his own words), as long as they agreed to buy his ham sandwich. I will leave it at that.
If you get to define our terms your way, you’ll be able to prove anything you want. And we won’t be persuaded because you’re not talking about what we’re talking about.
Nope. For weeks you posted that the Sermon on the Mount was addressed only to Christ's disciples and NOT to the crowds. You made a real point of it. You said that was the reason Christ walked away from the crowds and up the hill.
Prove it. Post a single post of mine that says this. It is the opposite of all I have posted on the subject. Prove it, Dr. E.
We all know what books make up the Gospel, Mark. But what is Christ referring to here? The words of the four Gospel books were written after Christ died. Here is Christ making reference to "the Gospel" so it can't be the four books that haven't been written yet.
Now, the expert of gibberish posts gibberish. The Gospel of Christ was captured by the four Gospel writers. Why cannot Christ make reference to the Gospel if He knows that it will be written?
I'd delighted to see you've come around to the correct understanding that Christ was indeed addressing the crowds on the Sermon on the Mount.
You've been the one arguing against this all along. Prove that I've said anything other than Christ addressed the crowds in the Sermons. Go ahead. FR does not allow alteration of posts. Prove it. Put up or shut up.
Unfortunately, it is as if one is invaded by bedbugs or fleas. It is non fatal, but an annoyance just the same. One must handle the infestation as one handles all infestations.
That’s obviously WHY:
1. So many Popes did evil things;
2. So many authentic Christians were murdered and tortured for their authentic Christ centered faith;
3. So much evil has been done in the name of the Vatican;
4. So many altar boys had so many priests as sex trainers and playmates;
5. So many in the hierarchy protected such priestly recreational hobbies;
6. THE INSTITUTION is always to be construed as “right” regardless of the facts; regardless of the morality; regardless of the evidence; regardless of God or God’s priorities;
7. So much Maryolatry is concocted, fantasized, publicized, SOLD so far and wide under so many subrafuges, lies, deceptions, rationalizations and out-right demonized signs and wonders;
8. So much blasphemy is encouraged with regard to Mary and the hierarchy usurping Christ’s place and Holy Spirit’s place.
Yeah, the watching world is just REAL impressed with how right Scuba Teddy, Puhlousey et al are in their pristine sanctified baby murdering white-washing Roman Catholocism.
Tell us again about that ONE TRUTH AND ONE TRUE CHURCH! The guffaws have died out and we need a new round.
I do not insist that each individual become Roman Catholic. There are a number of Catholic organizations that fit the bill. If one is asking me to agree to whether, for instance, Latter Day Saints are in the running, I will tell them absolutely not.
Baloney. Just because YOU demand that we condemn it to YOU means nothing.
You are all in danger of spiritual death, you need to think about it,
We all are? Well, you are.
and denounce and flee that "church" while you can.
You are beginning to sound like RnMomof7, who states that she knows that her dead Catholic relatives are probably in hell.
Anti semite is as anti semite does. If you hate the Jews so much, why do you follow Christ, who was 100% Jewish during His Incarnation?
It's not a trick question and it isn't hard, whether you follow the discussion or not.
Oh, yes, that "huge sadness" is on display in every one of your posts. /s
Too late for what?
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