Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Alot is not good enough to build an eternity on ... Personally I want the full Truth .."I am the way the truth and the life..NO MAN can come to the Father but by ME" ..Jesus Christ ....my superstar :)
And how exactly does that isolate it? The scriptures are only excepted so far as they agree with the doctrine.. Tradition is actually SUPERIOR to the scriptures because Catholics interpret the scriptures through tradition , they take the traditions on faith alone, requiring no more evidence that they said so ...
I missed it..thanks
Tradition?
Magisterium?
Hmmm, can't say as I've ever seen those words either mentioned in Scripture or spoken of in a positive sense.
If *sola Scriptura* is to be rejected because the term is not found in Scripture, then *Magesterium* should be. Tradition was not spoken of in positive terms in Scripture the best I can remember. Please enlighten us to where the specific instructions are to add tradition to Scripture.
Perhaps you could find verses for us that direct us to add Tradition and the Magesterium to Scripture for interpretation. Don't forget to name them by name, either.
2Ti 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Actually scripture breeds unity..it is the traditions of men that breed disunity
“”My friend” the Mad Dawg” :) noted that Jesus only condemned the traditions of MEN””
MD,is correct ...and smarter and holier than I.
“”How does one determine if a tradition is of man or God?””
It’s foundation is based in love and love of God, and since God is love we know it’s from God.
A simple tradition like blessing oneself with holy water(hydrokometes or “introducer by water”) before entering the Church is an act of love for God
LOL..why is THAT a surprise.. the catholics here toe the Roman line ....pssss he is a wrong as the catholics here are :)
Sola Ecclesia Romanus
Only the Church of Rome is the Rule of Faith
Good question RnMomof7....wonder if any will step up to the plate? Might be like ...the Holy Spirit moves them..or an author of old was moved and they believe him.
“”Are you suggesting the Church Fathers engaged in doubletalk?””
Not at all.The Church fathers were obedient to Church interpretation of Holy Scripture and understood that Tradition is part of Holy Scripture as well,thus there is no confusion
I can believe you, or I can believe God. Ooops, you lose
Romans 10:17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ.
It doesn’t say a thing about faith coming through any other means, not tradition, nor any group of men (magesterium).
The Word alone is adequate.
The correct interpretations breed unity If one is to submit to ONE TRUTH and ONE CHURCH
By making them interdependent. All three proceeded from the Trinity and like the Trinity God created a trinity of revealed Truth. One cannot be compromised without coming into conflict with the other two. The canon and the resulting Scripture proceeded from Tradition, the interpretation of Scripture proceeded from the Magisterium and yet all three proceeded from the Incarnate Word, Jesus.
What assurance do you have that they are correct.. and that these are not just traditions of men in leadership as well?
I have God's promise to the Church and the efficacy of the Spirit given when IHS breathed on them and commissioned them the evening after the Resurrection.
The Pharisees were church leaders as well...
Not exactly. They were sectarian leaders. They did not lead all the Jews. There were the Sadducees, who disagreed with them about 'angel' and 'resurrection' and a bunch o' stuff. There may be one, but I know of no Scriptural tradition of either sect being divinely commissioned and receiving the Spirit.
So you trust the ones that make the traditions ..are not they men?
It would be more accurate to say I trust the process with which Sacred Tradition comes to be. And the upper, so to speak, filters of that process are divinely commissioned for that purpose. Eph 4:11 - " And his gifts were that some should be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers," etc.
I trust the gifts and the Giver.
As previously noted, I answered that a few hundred posts ago at #11,877.
Now to Sola scriptura
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For although the sacred and inspired Scriptures are sufficient to declare the truth,謡hile there are other works of our blessed teachers compiled for this purpose, if he meet with which a man will gain some knowledge of the interpretation of the Scriptures, and be able to learn what he wishes to know,耀till, as we have not at present in our hands the compositions of our teachers, we must communicate in writing to you what we learned from them,葉he faith, namely, of Christ the Saviour; lest any should hold cheap the doctrine taught among us, or think faith. in Christ unreasonable.
Contra Gentes (Against the Heathen.), by St. Athanasius, Bishop of Alexandria; and Doctor of the Church; about 318 A.D.
"I beg of you, my dear brother, to live among these books [scripture], to meditate upon them, to know nothing else, to seek nothing else." - Jerome (Letter 53:10)
"We use Scripture to answer heresy and preceive that it is power and truth." - Basil the Great
“Let the inspired Scriptures then be our umpire, and the vote of truth will be given to those whose dogmas are found to agree with the Divine words.” - Gregory of Nyssa (d.ca, 395) “On the Holy Trinity”, NPNF, p. 327
“We are not content simply because this is the tradition of the Fathers. What is important is that the Fathers followed the meaning of the Scripture.” - Basil the Great (ca.329–379) On the Holy Spirit, 7.16
“For our faith rests on the revelation made to the Prophets and Apostles who wrote the canonical books.” - Thomas Aquinas (1225–1274) Summa Theologiae, Question 1, Art. 8
non-denominationals for the majority believe in bible-based churches.
Cowardly? Most everybody here has at one point or another said what they believe. Chaos? Let's hear from the cowardly, chaotic charismatic Catholics who have yet to show up to defend their crazy church, which by the way, is your church
Gwan witccha! Cut that out, please! Aside from anything else, my wife and daughter will laugh you out of town if they hear you said that! (This is one reason He setteth the solitary in families -- some of us solitary are prone to swelling of the cranial region. He is full of mercy and supplies with very effective cures.)
Thanks for the sentiment. It is reciprocated in Spades. Your stuff is always good.
I take it then all Catholics agree on the same things that go on in their church?
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