Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
And He does not refuse the conditions proper to Him as man, since He hungers and toils and thirsts in weariness, and flees in fear, and prays in trouble.
And He who as God has a sleepless nature, slumbers on a pillow.
And He who for this end came into the world, begs off from the cup of suffering.
And He in an agony sweats blood, and is strengthened by an angel, who Himself strengthens those who believe on Him, and taught men to despise death by His work.
And He who knew what manner of man Judas was, is betrayed by Judas.
And He, who formerly was honoured by him as God, is contemned by Caiaphas.
And He is set at nought by Herod, who is Himself to judge the whole earth.
And He is scourged by Pilate, who took upon Himself our infirmities.
And He by the soldiers is mocked, at whose behest stand thousands of thousands and myriads of myriads of angels and archangels.
And He who fixed the heavens like a vault is fastened to the cross by the Jews.
And He who is inseparable from the Father cries to the Father, and commends to Him His spirit; and bowing His head, He gives up the ghost, who said, “I have power to lay down my life, and I have power to take it again;” and because He was not overmastered by death, as being Himself Life, He said this: “I lay it down of myself.”
And He who gives life bountifully to all, has His side pierced with a spear.
And He who raises the dead is wrapped in linen and laid in a sepulchre, and on the third day He is raised again by the Father, though Himself the Resurrection and the Life.
For all these things has He finished for us, who for our sakes was made as we are. For “Himself hath borne our infirmities, and carried our diseases; and for our sakes He was afflicted,” as Isaiah the prophet has said.
This is He who was hymned by the angels, and seen by the shepherds, and waited for by Simeon, and witnessed to by Anna.
This is He who was inquired after by the wise men, and indicated by the star; He who was engaged in His Father’s house, and pointed to by John, and witnessed to by the Father from above in the voice, “This is my beloved Son; hear ye Him.” He is crowned victor against the devil.
This is Jesus of Nazareth, who was invited to the marriage-feast in Cana, and turned the water into wine, and rebuked the sea when agitated by the violence of the winds, and walked on the deep as on dry land, and caused the blind man from birth to see, and raised Lazarus to life after he had been dead four days, and did many mighty works, and forgave sins, and conferred power on the disciples, and had blood and water flowing from His sacred side when pierced with the spear.
For His sake the sun is darkened, the day has no light, the rocks are shattered, the veil is rent, the foundations of the earth are shaken, the graves are opened, and the dead are raised, and the rulers are ashamed when they see the Director of the universe upon the cross closing His eye and giving up the ghost. Creation saw, and was troubled; and, unable to bear the sight of His exceeding glory, shrouded itself in darkness.
This is He who breathes upon the disciples, and gives them the Spirit, and comes in among them when the doors are shut, and is taken up by a cloud into the heavens while the disciples gaze at Him, and is set down on the right hand of the Father, and comes again as the Judge of the living and the dead.
This is the God who for our sakes became man, to whom also the Father hath put all things in subjection. To Him be the glory and the power, with the Father and the Holy Spirit, in the holy Church both now and ever, and even for evermore. Amen.
Oh, I forgot you were a literalist that believes that Adam and Eve lived contemporaneous with dinosaurs. How could I ever have thought that logic and scientific fact would influence your choice of translations.
Notice how many times the word are seen "it is written" is in the bible , what is written is just as much speaking for God as the oral prophecies that the scriptures record..
I was reading your post and I remembered that in a part of the Sermon on the Mount he refers to the OT, and he does so interestingly:
Mt 5:21 You have heard that it was said to the men of old, "You shall not kill; and whoever kills shall be liable to judgment." (Exodus 20:13)
(22) But I say to you ...
... (27) You have hear that it was said, 'You shall not commit adultery.'(Ex 20:14, Dt. 5:18) (28) But I say to you ...
(31)It was also said,"Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce."(implied in Dt, 24.1-4) (32) But I say to you ...
Similarly in verses 33-34, 38-39, 43-44.
So what's interesting is that Jesus refers to the Scriptures here as "You have heard it said," and similar stuff.
I don't really have a point yet. I'm working on it. But it's interesting that when IHS appeals to Scripture to support a point, He says, (as you said) "It is written," But here where he is overruling Scripture, He described what is written as 'said.'. Now that's just interesting.
I don't know what else I would do, but I can tell you one thing: I would SHORE ask for my money back! From somebody.
IIRC,
He replies to some pharisees with
IT IS WRITTEN . . . Maybe I’ll get around to checking tomorrow.
No rush.
LOL
One is supposed to do all . . . particularly giving
AS UNTO THE LORD
ANYWAY—
so there’s no point in asking for anything back if it was given properly regardless of the intermediaries so to speak.
IT IS THE LORD who is our paymaster and who keeps our accounts.
The Church has declared them the word of God, and I accept it. The Jews do not accept any Tanakh except the Torah as the word of God, by the way. All other books are the words of men.
Notice how many times the word are seen "it is written" is in the bible , what is written is just as much speaking for God as the oral prophecies that the scriptures record..
Pity that that does not extend to the really in depth sola foundations such as the rapid copying of letters, the immediate acceptance of the NT Scripture, and the transmission of those letters to all the world. Sola really falls down on the Trinitarian formula, too. On the Sunday worship of Christians. The travels of St. Thomas to India and the establishment of Christianity on its west coast. Was St. Thomas scripturally established as an evangelist to the Gentiles in India?
[Dawg cringes.]
We get yelled at if we say "poorly catechized," but I don't know what else to call it.
We have a new Friar here, and he's been put in charge of RCIA. He's only spoken twice but both times he's said, "All this is worse than ridiculous," and he's referring to learned lectures by the DRE, etc.,"if it is not first, always, and last about the encounter, YOUR encounter, with Jesus."
The second time I looked around the room and all of us on the RCIA 'staff' were nodding.
Last Wednesday we had a brief "testimony" from this simply gorgeous Ukrainian Jew (came to the US when she was 8, has zero accent) whose dad was evangelized by an underground Pentecostalist group before the family left Ukraine.
All her 'testimony' was about growing closer to Christ, and having baht was, for her, the ultimate (this side of the Jordan) experience of closeness when she made her first Communion as a Catholic.
Then somebody piped up, another convert, and said that for him, becoming Catholic meant something like letting go of all the things that hindered a life of prayer and, again, closeness to IHS.
This, of course, cannot be anything like an argument or 'proof' about this or that side is right. But I mention all this to say that it is completely clear from the Friar,the 'testimony', the remarks of others in the group, that it was all about "Jesus Christ and faith in His work FOR ME."
When I get my first crack at each class, I always (for a grand total of three times now) start by saying something like this:
If you learn nothing else this year, please learn this: Jesus loves you. He loves you enough to turn the universe upside down for you. If you were the only human sinner that ever existed, He would still turn death into life and evil into good to save just you. All of us here teaching this class are here because we believe that. And all of us are here to share that joy, that faith with you, in hopes that if you don't have it, you will 'catch' it somehow, and if you do have it, it will grow stronger in you. There is nothing, NOTHING, you need to do and nothing you can do to make God love you any more than He loves you right now.I've written before about how so many people fail to focus on that when they teach and preach. It was my self-imposed rule when I had my "radio show" that every single "reflection" end with "God loves you," and that I do so honestly, that is that everything that went before led to that conclusion.
When I think of the religious education I received, I can only praise God that somehow that idea penetrated the too thick cranium. But it has always been my goal when I preached and when I teach, that that be the MAIN point and that everything else be referred to it -- so that even a rather dry lecture on the Trinity or on the Social Thought of the Social Encyclicals be clearly related to that fundamental proclamation.
I guess, in my implied accusation against your alleged "poor catechists" there is not a little vanity. I think they were NOT devoted to the Gospel, to the proclamation of the universe upsetting and re-creating Love of God. I think too many grown-ups are too focussed on producing good little boys and girls and sacrifice Gospel authenticity to achieve that goal. I've already told ad nauseam the story of the hard-of-hearing God.
Oh well. A very great many people have caused a very great many little ones to stumble. I guess we should pray for them, because they did an evil thing.
Have all of your children rejected Catholicism and are anti Catholic like you are?
Please do check. I think that’s right and that he also responds to the tempter in the wilderness with “it is written.”
And the tempter also quotes Scripture, specifically Psalm 91.
EWTN RIGHT NOW! Fr Corapi! This subject!
He’s hitting EVERYTHING that’s been discussed on this thread for weeks. Good grief and it’s an old program.
I guess, in my implied accusation against your alleged “poor catechists” there is not a little vanity. I think they were NOT devoted to the Gospel, to the proclamation of the universe upsetting and re-creating Love of God. I think too many grown-ups are too focussed on producing good little boys and girls and sacrifice Gospel authenticity to achieve that goal. I’ve already told ad nauseam the story of the hard-of-hearing God.
TOO TRUE in all denominations and most congregations.
The ONLY reason I want cable and/or broad-band is so I can EWTN.
IIRC, someone has done this before . . . maybe I should check my home page . . .
hope . . . oh well here goes:
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Matthew 4:7
Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
Matthew 4:10
Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Matthew 11:9-11 (King James Version)
9But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more than a prophet.
10For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
11Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
Matthew 21:13
And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.
Matthew 26:24
The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.
Matthew 26:31
Then saith Jesus unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad.
Mark 1:2
As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
Mark 7:6
He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
Mark 9:12
And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things; and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at nought.
Mark 9:13
But I say unto you, That Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed, as it is written of him.
Mark 11:17
And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves.
Mark 14:21
The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! good were it for that man if he had never been born.
Mark 14:27
And Jesus saith unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered.
Luke 2:23
(As it is written in the law of the LORD, Every male that openeth the womb shall be called holy to the Lord;)
20.Luke 3:4
As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
Luke 4:4
And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
Luke 4:8
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Luke 4:17
And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
Luke 7:27
This is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
Correct you are, I overlooked one of the headings, Mea Culpa!
The reason I cited Hyppolytus was the earlier post pointing to him and the comment about church ‘fathers’ and sola scriptura.
“Oh... and your citation? It's not even factually correct “There is, brethren, one God, the knowledge of whom we gain from the Holy Scriptures, and from no other source” simply isn't true and even if it were it's limited to the knowledge of God, not the governance of the Church and everything else Sola Scriptura pretends to take on itself.”
Well it ether is or isn't, you can't have it both ways just in case.
“I start bouncing up and down in my chair just reading it”
Does the chair have a slot for quarters? That might explain the bouncing.
Well don Quix.
Jesus relied on Scripture.
Catholics rely on man made tradition.
Certainly the most contentious stuff has no foundation in Scripture . .
Which should be a huge hint about GOD ALMIGHTY’S ATTITUDE TOWARD EACH OF THOSE ITEMS
However, man has always shown—particularly RELIGIOUS TYPES—have always shown an enormous capacity for rationalizing idolatry, blasphemy, heresy, vain glory, power-mongering in the name of God etc.
I'm actually recording this now. Its more than coincidence that the Holy Spirit brought this to us now and its not a coincidence that we Catholics of faith are in harmony or "communion" with Fr. Corapi.
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