Intended Catholic Dictatorship

The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.

The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).

The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.

Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.

This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!

The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.

First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.

This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.

Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.

Your citation isn't from the treatise against the Jews, it's from Against Noetus. It climaxes with one of the most powerful presentations of Christ I have ever read, I don't think any modern preacher has equaled it:

Let us believe then, dear brethren, according to the tradition of the apostles, that God the Word came down from heaven, (and entered) into the holy Virgin Mary, in order that, taking the flesh from her, and assuming also a human, by which I mean a rational soul, and becoming thus all that man is with the exception of sin, He might save fallen man, and confer immortality on men who believe on His name. In all, therefore, the word of truth is demonstrated to us, to wit, that the Father is One, whose word is present (with Him), by whom He made all things; whom also, as we have said above, the Father sent forth in later times for the salvation of men. This (Word) was preached by the law and the prophets as destined to come into the world. And even as He was preached then, in the same manner also did He come and manifest Himself, being by the Virgin and the Holy Spirit made a new man; for in that He had the heavenly (nature) of the Father, as the Word and the earthly (nature), as taking to Himself the flesh from the old Adam by the medium of the Virgin, He now, coming forth into the world, was manifested as God in a body, coming forth too as a perfect man. For it was not in mere appearance or by conversion, but in truth, that He became man.

Here it comes... brace yourselves, this is awesome.

Thus then, too, though demonstrated as God, He does not refuse the conditions proper to Him as man, since He hungers and toils and thirsts in weariness, and flees in fear, and prays in trouble. And He who as God has a sleepless nature, slumbers on a pillow. And He who for this end came into the world, begs off from the cup of suffering. And in an agony He sweats blood, and is strengthened by an angel, who Himself strengthens those who believe on Him, and taught men to despise death by His work. And He who knew what manner of man Judas was, is betrayed by Judas. And He, who formerly was honoured by him as God, is contemned by Caiaphas. And He is set at nought by Herod, who is Himself to judge the whole earth. And He is scourged by Pilate, who took upon Himself our infirmities. And by the soldiers He is mocked, at whose behest stand thousands of thousands and myriads of myriads of angels and archangels. And He who fixed the heavens like a vault is fastened to the cross by the Jews. And He who is inseparable from the Father cries to the Father, and commends to Him His spirit; and bowing His head, He gives up the ghost, who said, “I have power to lay down my life, and I have power to take it again;” and because He was not overmastered by death, as being Himself Life, He said this: “I lay it down of myself.” And He who gives life bountifully to all, has His side pierced with a spear. And He who raises the dead is wrapped in linen and laid in a sepulchre, and on the third day He is raised again by the Father, though Himself the Resurrection and the Life. For all these things has He finished for us, who for our sakes was made as we are. For “Himself hath borne our infirmities, and carried our diseases; and for our sakes He was afflicted,” as Isaiah the prophet has said. This is He who was hymned by the angels, and seen by the shepherds, and waited for by Simeon, and witnessed to by Anna. This is He who was inquired after by the wise men, and indicated by the star; He who was engaged in His Father’s house, and pointed to by John, and witnessed to by the Father from above in the voice, “This is my beloved Son; hear ye Him.” He is crowned victor against the devil. This is Jesus of Nazareth, who was invited to the marriage-feast in Cana, and turned the water into wine, and rebuked the sea when agitated by the violence of the winds, and walked on the deep as on dry land, and caused the blind man from birth to see, and raised Lazarus to life after he had been dead four days, and did many mighty works, and forgave sins, and conferred power on the disciples, and had blood and water flowing from His sacred side when pierced with the spear. For His sake the sun is darkened, the day has no light, the rocks are shattered, the veil is rent, the foundations of the earth are shaken, the graves are opened, and the dead are raised, and the rulers are ashamed when they see the Director of the universe upon the cross closing His eye and giving up the ghost. Creation saw, and was troubled; and, unable to bear the sight of His exceeding glory, shrouded itself in darkness. This (is He who) breathes upon the disciples, and gives them the Spirit, and comes in among them when the doors are shut, and is taken up by a cloud into the heavens while the disciples gaze at Him, and is set down on the right hand of the Father, and comes again as the Judge of the living and the dead. This is the God who for our sakes became man, to whom also the Father hath put all things in subjection. To Him be the glory and the power, with the Father and the Holy Spirit, in the holy Church both now and ever, and even for evermore. Amen.

I realize that's a wall of text the likes of which we rarely see, but I have no idea how to break it into paragraphs because it is one continuous stream of glory. I start bouncing up and down in my chair just reading it.

Oh... and your citation? It's not even factually correct "There is, brethren, one God, the knowledge of whom we gain from the Holy Scriptures, and from no other source" simply isn't true and even if it were it's limited to the knowledge of God, not the governance of the Church and everything else Sola Scriptura pretends to take on itself.

,Mark ALL of Scripture is written by prophets.. notice Christ called those that fail to se Christ in the OT (like the ark of the covenant)..FOOLS
No it is not!!!!

Mark the definition of a prophet is one that speaks for God ..all scripture is Gods word given through men..they were therefore prophets writing as inspired by the Holy Spirit..

2Ti 3:16 — All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God,......."
2Pe 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

You said that the Apostles taught Jesus from the Old Testament. The Apostles didn't teach Jesus anything. Jesus taught them.

Did i leave out a comma? The intent of that sentence was that the apostles taught OF Jesus from the OT, and from the the epistles ..that were scripture.. therefore it was incorrect to say they taught without scripture..sorry if that was not clear..

In biblical days they were not without a sort of mail service.. a letter to one church would be taken from one church to another .. They were circulated by the will and design of God
This is the biggest cop out that I have ever seen on this forum. "The will and design of God". Okay, prove it. Prove it scripturally or by another other means.

Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Gal 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Mark did you ever hear the saying all roads lead to Rome?

History of western civilization

This is a historical fact..google a bit.. Christianity was more easily spread because of the Rome roads..If God had sent Christ 100 years earlier, the church could not have spread as fast and far.. Those roads allowed the church letters to pass from church to church to keep the doctrine pure and consistent

God chose the time of Christ's birth, the circumstances, His life and ministry, His betrayal, His crucification , paul as the church catechist , and the means and method of communication.. This is the church of Christ, not a church of happenstance

. Paul did not begin his epistles until at least 20 years after the death, Resurrection and Ascension of Christ. Catechism was the province of the Church -

And Paul was an apostle of Jesus Christ...It was Paul that God used to teach doctrine..even in Rome Mark.. peters letters were even later. Those letters were written when GOD inspired them..so they were written when God believed they were necessary to the church .

I have to LOL at the constant cry that I am somehow teaching Calvin.. no Mark.. I am not a catholic beholden to an imaginary pope.. I have used only scripture , except for the historic link on the roads of Rome you wanted..and if anyone REALLY cared about TRUTH it can be googled by anyone.. "the spread of Christianity and the Roman roads.. "

Mark the definition of a prophet is one that speaks for God ..all scripture is Gods word given through men..they were therefore prophets writing as inspired by the Holy Spirit..

Matthew, Mark, Luke and James were Prophets? Negative. Show where they are identified as such in Scripture. Luke says that he gathered the information that was available. Not information whispered from God. Your definition is spurious and non Scriptural. Your definitions, unless you have something else, fail from the sola perspective, and therefore from the Reformed perspective.

Only to the Jews. The Gentiles didn't care about the OT. They only cared about the message of Christ. Show me Scriptural proof of Apostolic teaching to the Gentiles of Scripture - and no, the Ethiopian eunuch was not pagan - he would have been Jewish.

In biblical days they were not without a sort of mail service.. a letter to one church would be taken from one church to another .. They were circulated by the will and design of God

This is the biggest cop out that I have ever seen on this forum. "The will and design of God". Okay, prove it. Prove it scripturally or by another other means.

Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, Gal 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Mark did you ever hear the saying all roads lead to Rome?

In other words, you have no proof, either Scripturally or not Scripturally. You cannot prove the tracking of the copying and the distribution of any letter, Gospel or any other Christian letter whatsoever. Your sola scriptura beliefs fail yet again. You guys keep bleating about the holiness of sola yet you violate it repeatedly on even the most cursory examination. Your source on the History of western civilization does not elaborate on the spread of the letters. I am not going to do the homework for you that you would ask of me. You claim sola. It fails. You ask me to google. You fail. Do your proofs or stop claiming what you claim. I contend that your view is completely wrong and have supplied the reasons based upon the civilization and the attitude towards the area of Palestine at the time of Roman occupation. 10,000 Jewish rebels hanging on crosses do not a crisp postal delivery service from that area make.

Later? How much time do you think that they had? Peter died before Paul, ca. 65 or so. Paul did not start writing until ca. 50 and Peter? Some sources place 2 Peter as late as 150 AD. You have not told us the magical mechanism whereby these letters were transmitted and copied en masse and then transmitted again. Do you have clue one as to the time frame required? Obviously not.

You bleat about sola scriptura and have nothing. You have nothing about the actual timeline of the spread of the letters - including the numbers, the copies, the contents of the copies and who got them and when. You have nothing and yet believe sola. Guess what? You guys have a whole less to go on than the Church that you left.

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