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To: count-your-change
Your citation isn't from the treatise against the Jews, it's from Against Noetus. It climaxes with one of the most powerful presentations of Christ I have ever read, I don't think any modern preacher has equaled it:
Let us believe then, dear brethren, according to the tradition of the apostles, that God the Word came down from heaven, (and entered) into the holy Virgin Mary, in order that, taking the flesh from her, and assuming also a human, by which I mean a rational soul, and becoming thus all that man is with the exception of sin, He might save fallen man, and confer immortality on men who believe on His name. In all, therefore, the word of truth is demonstrated to us, to wit, that the Father is One, whose word is present (with Him), by whom He made all things; whom also, as we have said above, the Father sent forth in later times for the salvation of men. This (Word) was preached by the law and the prophets as destined to come into the world. And even as He was preached then, in the same manner also did He come and manifest Himself, being by the Virgin and the Holy Spirit made a new man; for in that He had the heavenly (nature) of the Father, as the Word and the earthly (nature), as taking to Himself the flesh from the old Adam by the medium of the Virgin, He now, coming forth into the world, was manifested as God in a body, coming forth too as a perfect man. For it was not in mere appearance or by conversion, but in truth, that He became man.
Here it comes... brace yourselves, this is awesome.
Thus then, too, though demonstrated as God, He does not refuse the conditions proper to Him as man, since He hungers and toils and thirsts in weariness, and flees in fear, and prays in trouble. And He who as God has a sleepless nature, slumbers on a pillow. And He who for this end came into the world, begs off from the cup of suffering. And in an agony He sweats blood, and is strengthened by an angel, who Himself strengthens those who believe on Him, and taught men to despise death by His work. And He who knew what manner of man Judas was, is betrayed by Judas. And He, who formerly was honoured by him as God, is contemned by Caiaphas. And He is set at nought by Herod, who is Himself to judge the whole earth. And He is scourged by Pilate, who took upon Himself our infirmities. And by the soldiers He is mocked, at whose behest stand thousands of thousands and myriads of myriads of angels and archangels. And He who fixed the heavens like a vault is fastened to the cross by the Jews. And He who is inseparable from the Father cries to the Father, and commends to Him His spirit; and bowing His head, He gives up the ghost, who said, “I have power to lay down my life, and I have power to take it again;” and because He was not overmastered by death, as being Himself Life, He said this: “I lay it down of myself.” And He who gives life bountifully to all, has His side pierced with a spear. And He who raises the dead is wrapped in linen and laid in a sepulchre, and on the third day He is raised again by the Father, though Himself the Resurrection and the Life. For all these things has He finished for us, who for our sakes was made as we are. For “Himself hath borne our infirmities, and carried our diseases; and for our sakes He was afflicted,” as Isaiah the prophet has said. This is He who was hymned by the angels, and seen by the shepherds, and waited for by Simeon, and witnessed to by Anna. This is He who was inquired after by the wise men, and indicated by the star; He who was engaged in His Father’s house, and pointed to by John, and witnessed to by the Father from above in the voice, “This is my beloved Son; hear ye Him.” He is crowned victor against the devil. This is Jesus of Nazareth, who was invited to the marriage-feast in Cana, and turned the water into wine, and rebuked the sea when agitated by the violence of the winds, and walked on the deep as on dry land, and caused the blind man from birth to see, and raised Lazarus to life after he had been dead four days, and did many mighty works, and forgave sins, and conferred power on the disciples, and had blood and water flowing from His sacred side when pierced with the spear. For His sake the sun is darkened, the day has no light, the rocks are shattered, the veil is rent, the foundations of the earth are shaken, the graves are opened, and the dead are raised, and the rulers are ashamed when they see the Director of the universe upon the cross closing His eye and giving up the ghost. Creation saw, and was troubled; and, unable to bear the sight of His exceeding glory, shrouded itself in darkness. This (is He who) breathes upon the disciples, and gives them the Spirit, and comes in among them when the doors are shut, and is taken up by a cloud into the heavens while the disciples gaze at Him, and is set down on the right hand of the Father, and comes again as the Judge of the living and the dead. This is the God who for our sakes became man, to whom also the Father hath put all things in subjection. To Him be the glory and the power, with the Father and the Holy Spirit, in the holy Church both now and ever, and even for evermore. Amen.
I realize that's a wall of text the likes of which we rarely see, but I have no idea how to break it into paragraphs because it is one continuous stream of glory. I start bouncing up and down in my chair just reading it.

Oh... and your citation? It's not even factually correct "There is, brethren, one God, the knowledge of whom we gain from the Holy Scriptures, and from no other source" simply isn't true and even if it were it's limited to the knowledge of God, not the governance of the Church and everything else Sola Scriptura pretends to take on itself.

11,904 posted on 10/16/2010 5:20:32 PM PDT by Legatus (Keep calm and carry on)
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To: Legatus
Here's the last part of that formatted a little bit to show the poetic nature of the words. I'm not sure this translation really does the job... I dunno, I'm responding to myself...

And He does not refuse the conditions proper to Him as man, since He hungers and toils and thirsts in weariness, and flees in fear, and prays in trouble.
And He who as God has a sleepless nature, slumbers on a pillow.
And He who for this end came into the world, begs off from the cup of suffering.
And He in an agony sweats blood, and is strengthened by an angel, who Himself strengthens those who believe on Him, and taught men to despise death by His work.
And He who knew what manner of man Judas was, is betrayed by Judas.
And He, who formerly was honoured by him as God, is contemned by Caiaphas.
And He is set at nought by Herod, who is Himself to judge the whole earth.
And He is scourged by Pilate, who took upon Himself our infirmities.
And He by the soldiers is mocked, at whose behest stand thousands of thousands and myriads of myriads of angels and archangels.
And He who fixed the heavens like a vault is fastened to the cross by the Jews.
And He who is inseparable from the Father cries to the Father, and commends to Him His spirit; and bowing His head, He gives up the ghost, who said, “I have power to lay down my life, and I have power to take it again;” and because He was not overmastered by death, as being Himself Life, He said this: “I lay it down of myself.”
And He who gives life bountifully to all, has His side pierced with a spear.
And He who raises the dead is wrapped in linen and laid in a sepulchre, and on the third day He is raised again by the Father, though Himself the Resurrection and the Life.

For all these things has He finished for us, who for our sakes was made as we are. For “Himself hath borne our infirmities, and carried our diseases; and for our sakes He was afflicted,” as Isaiah the prophet has said.
This is He who was hymned by the angels, and seen by the shepherds, and waited for by Simeon, and witnessed to by Anna.
This is He who was inquired after by the wise men, and indicated by the star; He who was engaged in His Father’s house, and pointed to by John, and witnessed to by the Father from above in the voice, “This is my beloved Son; hear ye Him.” He is crowned victor against the devil.
This is Jesus of Nazareth, who was invited to the marriage-feast in Cana, and turned the water into wine, and rebuked the sea when agitated by the violence of the winds, and walked on the deep as on dry land, and caused the blind man from birth to see, and raised Lazarus to life after he had been dead four days, and did many mighty works, and forgave sins, and conferred power on the disciples, and had blood and water flowing from His sacred side when pierced with the spear.

For His sake the sun is darkened, the day has no light, the rocks are shattered, the veil is rent, the foundations of the earth are shaken, the graves are opened, and the dead are raised, and the rulers are ashamed when they see the Director of the universe upon the cross closing His eye and giving up the ghost. Creation saw, and was troubled; and, unable to bear the sight of His exceeding glory, shrouded itself in darkness.
This is He who breathes upon the disciples, and gives them the Spirit, and comes in among them when the doors are shut, and is taken up by a cloud into the heavens while the disciples gaze at Him, and is set down on the right hand of the Father, and comes again as the Judge of the living and the dead.
This is the God who for our sakes became man, to whom also the Father hath put all things in subjection. To Him be the glory and the power, with the Father and the Holy Spirit, in the holy Church both now and ever, and even for evermore. Amen.

11,921 posted on 10/16/2010 6:41:24 PM PDT by Legatus (Keep calm and carry on)
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To: Legatus
“Your citation isn't from the treatise against the Jews, it's from Against Noetus.”

Correct you are, I overlooked one of the headings, Mea Culpa!

The reason I cited Hyppolytus was the earlier post pointing to him and the comment about church ‘fathers’ and sola scriptura.

“Oh... and your citation? It's not even factually correct “There is, brethren, one God, the knowledge of whom we gain from the Holy Scriptures, and from no other source” simply isn't true and even if it were it's limited to the knowledge of God, not the governance of the Church and everything else Sola Scriptura pretends to take on itself.”

Well it ether is or isn't, you can't have it both ways just in case.

“I start bouncing up and down in my chair just reading it”

Does the chair have a slot for quarters? That might explain the bouncing.

11,937 posted on 10/16/2010 8:18:11 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Legatus; count-your-change
I realize that's a wall of text the likes of which we rarely see, but I have no idea how to break it into paragraphs because it is one continuous stream of glory. I start bouncing up and down in my chair just reading it.

When your eyes water up, you must pause to take a deep breath, and you begin to lose interest it's time to force a paragraph.

This old man gave up and I suspect, so did many others.

11,995 posted on 10/17/2010 9:34:13 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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