Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[Hank Kerchief]

Intended Catholic Dictatorship

The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.

The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).

The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.

The Intentions Made Plain

The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.

Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.

This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!

In Their Own Words

The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.

[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]

Two Comments

First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.

This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.

Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.

—Reginald Firehammer (06/28/10)

[Quix]

I understand your reasoning and perspective.

I don’t think the evidence fits that perspective at all.

Thx for your kind reply.

[RnMomof7]

Mark it is not honest not to present CLEARLY the entire scripture..

Luk 24:24 And certain of them which were with us went to the sepulchre, and found [it] even so as the women had said: but him they saw not.

Luk 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:

Luk 24:26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?

Luk 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Luk 24:28 ¶ And they drew nigh unto the village, whither they went: and he made as though he would have gone further.

Luk 24:30 And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed [it], and brake, and gave to them.

Luk 24:31 And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.

Luk 24:32 And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?

Mark ALL of Scripture is written by prophets.. notice Christ called those that fail to se Christ in the OT (like the ark of the covenant)..FOOLS

RN mom=So the apostles taught jesus from the Old Testament
Mark=Pardon?

Mark have you ever read the Nt for yourself? If you have and not seen the Old Testament there Christ has said that one is a FOOL

The New Testament use of the Old Testament is an important issue within the study of the interpretation of the Bible and especially messianic prophecies concerning Jesus. "The fourth edition of the United Bible Societies' Greek Testament (1993) lists 343 Old Testament quotations in the New Testament, as well as no fewer than 2, 309 allusions and verbal parallels. The books most used are Psalms (79 quotations, 333 allusions), and Isaiah (66 quotations, 348 allusions). In the Book of Revelation, there are no formal quotations at all, but no fewer than 620 allusions." [1]
http://www.theopedia.com/New_Testament

RN=But to say there was no New Testament would not be accurate.. the epistles were circulated among the churches to teach doctrine to those that had been saved

Which epistles? When were they written? When were they circulated? How many copies were made, and when? There was no Internet email. No printing press.

Awww my friend.. those letters were the New churches inspired doctrinal teaching of CHRIST

In biblical days they were not without a sort of mail service.. a letter to one church would be taken from one church to another .. They were circulated by the will and design of God

The Romans had built a large road system to connect the empire, ( that was no coincident ) remember the words

Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Gal 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Gods timing is perfect !

RN=Peter advised the churches to listen to Paul, because Pauls writings were SCRIPTURE (the infallible word of God)

mark=And when were those verses written?

Irrelevant to the question at hand... Paul was the God ordained catechist of the New Testament church ...

2 Peter 3: 15And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, 16as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.

I will ask my friend Kosta to chime in

All the HUMAN knowledge of history will never save.. as we see in our friend it sometimes only leads to doubt and disbelief..

I do not take scripture lessons from agnostics or atheists or pagan or the lost..

[Mad Dawg]

I don't know how one could know that the Holy Spirit was not working through the sacramental ministrations of the Catholic Church. I would think one would have to know two things: 1) the current state of all the recipients of the sacraments, something many of them might not be able to report reliably; 2) what their state would be if they were not receiving those ministrations, a thing which cannot be known.

The problem would be made more complex because “many are called, but few chosen”.

A number of non-Catholics who converted report to me that the first time they came into a Cath. Church (often with little to no interest, some with a definite aversion) they “just knew” the presence of God in what some mock as “a box”. Yet many long-time Catholics seem inured or oblivious to the same tabernacle.

I would hesitate to declare the absence of the God who hides Himself as He reveals Himself.

[RnMomof7]

A number of non-Catholics who converted report to me that the first time they came into a Cath. Church (often with little to no interest, some with a definite aversion) they “just knew” the presence of God in what some mock as “a box”. Yet many long-time Catholics seem inured or oblivious to the same tabernacle.

The Mormons say the same thing ... they have a "burning heart"

Salvation is not a "feeling" it is a truth that is truth felt or not..

Also interesting is Catholics here often brag about being the LARGEST denomination

That is kinnda at odds with the many are called BUT FEW ARE CHOSEN

[Global2010]

Fr Corapi (great testemonial and a personal fave) has shared that even men who have received Holy Orders have lost their way with drugs/drinking/fornication ect...

But let's be fair this is not a denominational issue.

I saw Micheal W. Smith (he wasn't a Priest but had a calling in the Southern Baptist Church) in Concert last night and did not know he too lost his way with all the above.

I was so awesome to see Bill Gaither speak briefly of Micheal's falling away from God at the height of his Christian Music career and now in recovery, back on the path Micheal sang a solo last night “Forgivin/Forgive me” (I am choking up here) and then kneeling down on his knees at the end of the song

I don't give a hoot what Christian religion people choose the core is if an individual is going to go off the path/mentally weather organic or self induced there Church of choice really doesn't have anything to do with it.

I have seen men fall in ALL denominations.

My choice to return to my Catholic faith has nothing to do with anyone/anything other than it is where I best learned insight/arts/science ect.. in my path to living an evolving richer life through Christ.

But perhaps those who post back/forth this is some kind of enrichment for them. Too each their own.

The primary reason KV/I attended the long long drive to the concert last night was we are huge fans of Mark Lowry (comedian/baptist/Gaither musician).

We could laugh at ourselves when he was asking the stadium full of Christians...

Who here is Baptist? Whoo Hooos Pentecostal? Whoo Hoos and a comic remark then lastly Do we have any Catholics here? Whoo Hoos and he says
“Oh, Say Hi! to Mary, we ain't allowed to talk to her” “but Tell her THanks for the Hit Song she gave me”....roaring in laughter as those of us that know Mark Lowry sings a beautiful ballad (choking up here) Mary Did You Know?
(ya’ll can u tube that)

Well thats enough from my camp, I really have been shying away from FR bicker threads, Lord if I read one more post about how big Michelle Obama’s rear end is.... (oh I am guilty also of being the fashion police on her clothes threads)

I am going to shoot my webtv.
Really allot of stuff around here is dragging me down in misery and that just ain't good for nothin’ so back to the lighter uplifting threads.

Carry on ya’ll. (exit stage left)

[Global2010]

Our Priest resembles that remark. : )

[Global2010]

Oh and an Amen to your post.

[Jaded]

Thank you! Bless you. Sometimes, I too am in the valley waiting to be led out.

[RnMomof7]

You see, the very usage -- "scripture" meaning "proof text" -- to me suggests the problem with this approach to Scripture.

I am not asking for PROOF texts, I do not much like proof texts as they are verses taken out of context..like in the catholic catechism

What I am asking for is something in scripture IN CONTEXT that supports a doctrine.. If Catholics had them they would give them

I am not interested in having ANY doctrine supported by a FALLIBLE source ... I want to see the doctrine taught infallibly

For instance recently you semi quoted a scripture that it was the doctrine of MEN that Christ condemns.. I agree with that ...what I asked of you was HOW DO YOU determine what is the doctrine of men and what is a doctrine of God..

I am jumping around my pings..so I may have missed it.. but if i did could you tell me again?? What is your final authority ?

[OLD REGGIE]

OK wait... you're asserting that in order for Catholics not to be hypocrites we must disbelieve anything that isn't explicitly spelled out in Sacred Scripture because we don't believe that everything is spelled out in Sacred Scripture?

Well raxacoricofallapatorius is no longer the silliest thing I've ever seen.

It's time for you to change glasses and reread what she actually wrote or to change thinkers and think again or just plain give it up. You have it bassackwards.

[OLD REGGIE]

There is no need to continue spamming me. It wastes bandwidth and is totally ignored. Rest assured there is nothing new in your propaganda.

[Quix]

I think it’s often or usually more than a bit complex at least around the edges . . . though simple in principles.

I have never observed THE PRESENCE OF GOD

to be something the least bit manipulatable

by . . . man . . . certainly not with ‘form’ vs substance

or appearances vs the real

or even by routine vs earnest focus

or by ritual, assumption, vs earnestly seeking His face 1:1

and certainly not by pretense vs authentic.

Lots of things are not as they seem both pro and con in all congregations.

[Quix]

Have any yet come up with a guesstimate as to how many of the purported numbers . . . what percentage are considered to be

say on any given day . . . authentic, earnest, practicing, truly “Christian” Roman Catholics?

[metmom]

OK wait... you're asserting that in order for Catholics not to be hypocrites we must disbelieve anything that isn't explicitly spelled out in Sacred Scripture because we don't believe that everything is spelled out in Sacred Scripture?

No. Just apply the same standard to everything.

If you're going to reject *sola Scriptura* because it isn't specifically mentioned in the way you think it ought to be, by name, then reject everything that isn't specifically mentioned by name, like the trinity or the pope, since neither of those terms are found in Scripture.

If you're going to accept doctrines like the trinity or the papacy, which aren't specifically spelled out by name, since the term *trinity* or *pope* isn't specifically mentioned by term in the Bible, then apply the same standard to *sola Scriptura* and accept that on the basis of proof texts, just like the Catholic church accepts the doctrine of the trinity or the pope based on proof texts.

To apply different standards for support of doctrines on the basis of preference for doctrines is hypocrisy.

[Judith Anne]

A number of non-Catholics who converted report to me that the first time they came into a Cath. Church (often with little to no interest, some with a definite aversion) they “just knew” the presence of God in what some mock as “a box”. Yet many long-time Catholics seem inured or oblivious to the same tabernacle.

That would be me. I vividly recall that decades before I converted, I'd spent the night with a friend, and her mother took us to Mass. Just walking into the sanctuary, and imitating her with the holy water, and genuflecting--I was left with an inner knowledge of the presence of God, which has never left me.

[Judith Anne]

To apply different standards for support of doctrines on the basis of preference for doctrines is hypocrisy.

Wrong. The Church Fathers are part of the Holy Tradition. Do any of them mention Sola Scriptura?

[Quix]

Hmmmmm

Glad they put it on sliders the way that area’s gonna be rockin and rollin.

I don’t think all that concrete will float very well, however.

[Quix]

I quite agree.

Though that is still a Scriptural model and many times, Holy Spirit obliges.

[Forest Keeper]

The idea was that some seminarians might cheat and just read the commentaries and skip the part where you actually read the Bible on which they are supposed to be shedding light.

Ah, I see now. Pretty funny to think of that actually happening.

[Quix]

To apply different standards for support of doctrines on the basis of preference for doctrines is hypocrisy.

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INDEED.

Though they seem to take comfort in the SECOND STATION OF THE WHITE HANKY:

2. THE BLACK/WHITE ICON OF DUPLICITY, THE DOUBLE STANDARD DANCE