Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
I have no idea what would surprise you, and frankly, don't really care. Many, if not most Catholics have met somebody in their lives that has a holiness about them - a particular monastic or cleric or nun - that you can almost see the light of the Holy Spirit shining through them. There aren't many, to be sure. Ask somebody who has met Pope John Paul II, or Mother Teresa, or Pope Benedict and they will have the same general description of that aura.
As for anybody else? Don't know what would or would not surprise them.
I partially agree with that. I believe the typical Protestant Church emphasizes Bible Study, not as a "replacement" for the "sacrements" but because they believe it is so important that the "serious" members of the congregation, as the Bereans, examine the Scriptures to know the truth of what they are taught.
I know this is not a scientific study but in my travels through local towns I notice the great majority of the Protestant Churches list formal Bible Study at least one night a week on their sign boards. Not so common for the Catholic Churches.
There are Scriptural examples of impartations by the laying on of hands . . .
however, in my experience and observations,
Holy Spirit tends to prefer to conduct HIS BUSINESS 1:1
Even when a laying on of hands is involved, very shortly, the person doing the laying on of hands fades to black as Holy Spirit transacts heart/mind/body/soul/spirit business with the target receiver.
2 Kings 2
9 And it came to pass, when they were gone over, that Elijah said unto Elisha, Ask what I shall do for thee, before I be taken away from thee. And Elisha said, I pray thee, let a double portion of thy spirit be upon me.
10And he said, Thou hast asked a hard thing: nevertheless, if thou see me when I am taken from thee, it shall be so unto thee; but if not, it shall not be so
Thanks.
I think.
LOL.
There really aren't that many - the fruits of the Holy Spirit in most people are simply lost or not apparent compared to the magnitude of the fruits of their sins and their selfishness for the most part. And that, too, is interesting. I have met people who have had that holy aura for a time and then lost it - the seed on the path - and others who have led libertine and sinful lives - St. Francis of Assisi, Fr. John Corapi and many of the Church Doctors - and then turned it all around and given their lives to Christ.
Quix - I mean this truly - if the shoe fits, wear it. But don't as the Pharisees do, wear it proudly. That way, it will rapidly not fit anymore. Wear it humbly and quietly.
But of those who brag about their salvation; how the Holy Spirit directs them; how they effectively speak for God - well exactly none of them appear holy to me and that includes a number of prominent Catholics as well.
You should have seen the firestorm over it too. Catholics were not happy.
INDEED.
hasn’t stopped it, apparently getting worse and worse. It sure looks like the Catholic church is not only pagan , but satanic as well. Like the Doctor says, flee from it while you can
BTW,
imho,
many purported impartations in many denominations and congregations
are fools errands because those pretending to do the imparting—have nothing to impart—having not been willing to pay the price of as total a dedication to God as they could muster.
That’s sadly true, even in too many Pentecostal congregations.
It’s certainly true in denominations that seem to have it as a cardinal doctrine to
have a form of Godliness while denying the power thereof, as Scripture notes.
Wise and well put words.
Thx.
Good.
However, firestorms over lesser things while winking at horridly worse things
is not very admirable.
well that’s where discernment comes in and staying grounded in the Word of God. If they test the spirits, it would be obvious where they’re from, but lacking biblical knowledge, they don’t even know how to do that.
Around here, anyway, it's not the kind of thing Catholic churches would put on their sign boards, assuming they have one at all. Of those that do, some have only the name of the church and some add the Mass times. Bible study (alng with other parish activities) would be listed in the parish bulletin.
well that’s where discernment comes in and staying grounded in the Word of God. If they test the spirits, it would be obvious where they’re from, but lacking biblical knowledge, they don’t even know how to do that.
QUITE SO. QUITE SO.
I'm afraid you're assuming some awareness on my part of which I am simply unaware. Some of it may be due to a disconnect in the use of words, for instance you wrote: "Some of your cohorts treat the Magicsterical, Catachism, Pope et al as equal to or superior to Holy Spirit in Holy Spirit’s operations AS Holy Spirit."
What I think you said there is "Some Catholics treat the teaching authority of the Church, what is taught and who teaches it as equal to or superior to the Holy Ghost". "Holy Spirit's operations AS Holy Spirit" seemed superfluous because the Holy Ghost doesn't operate as a lemon or a moose, there's no other operation possible.
But anyhow let's go back to your "Magicsterical, Catachism, Pope" thing because it's really quite a profound selection of terms:
Magicsterical: if by that you mean the magisterium - by what authority
Catechism: by what method
Pope: by what persons
So... the ordinary means through which the Holy Ghost guides the Church? We can't discount the extraordinary automatically but we absolutely must not discount the ordinary. And that's what I see outside the Church: the rejection of the ordinary means in favor of the extraordinary.
Then again that may not be what you're talking about at all, I don't really know.
That’s pretty accurate. Close enough, for sure.
WERE Holy Spirit actually operating wholesale through such means, well and good.
Sadly, it’s just not the case—not even in many Pentecostal congregations.
He more or less left the building . . . long ago.
OK, this makes a couple of assumptions I think: 1) Christ did not establish A Church but rather a lot of different Churches all operating in competition and 2) the Church (or Churches) is dependent upon men for its legitimacy.
I try to keep Jews/Samaritans as an analogy of Catholics/Protestants in mind... you realize the argument we are having is very similar?
It seems to me that the non-Catholic position is dependent upon God playing some kind of three card monty with His Church at some point in the past... and that seems so un-Godlike. God established THE Israel, everyone knew who they were, where they were and what they were. You didn't go off and start your own Israel and claim that God ordained it just because the king was a dork. It doesn't make sense to me that all of the sudden God would say "ok, this time it's gonna be total chaos, good luck".
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