DNFTT - some people can dish it out, but they can't take it. There's no problem when they suggest that others cannot be believed without corroboration, but turn about is unfair play.
I say again: DNFTT. Do you copy?
Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
I agree with NL.
In the one particular instance under question?
Remember, we are not speaking of logic, we are speaking of a particular instance.
Good.
Here's a guy all full of himself:
A sermon of Pope St Gregory the Great
For the love of Christ I do not spare myself in preaching him
‘Son of man, I have appointed you as watchman to the house of Israel.’ Note that Ezekiel, whom the Lord sent to preach his word, is described as a watchman. Now a watchman always takes up his position on the heights so that he can see from a distance whatever approaches. Likewise whoever is appointed watchman to a people should live a life on the heights so that he can help them by taking a wide survey.
These words are hard to utter, for when I speak it is myself that I am reproaching. I do not preach as I should nor does my life follow the principles I preach so inadequately.
I do not deny that I am guilty, for I see my torpor and my negligence. Perhaps my very recognition of failure will win me pardon from a sympathetic judge. When I lived in a monastic community I was able to keep my tongue from idle topics and to devote my mind almost continually to the discipline of prayer. Since taking on my shoulders the burden of pastoral care, I have been unable to keep steadily recollected because my mind is distracted by many responsibilities.
I am forced to consider questions affecting churches and monasteries and often 1 must judge the lives and actions of individuals; at one moment I am forced to take part in certain civil affairs, next I must worry over the incursions of barbarians and fear the wolves who menace the flock entrusted to my care; now I must accept political responsibility in order to give support to those who preserve the rule of law; now I must bear patiently the villainies of brigands, and then I must confront them, yet in all charity.
My mind is sundered and torn to pieces by the many and serious things I have to think about. When I try to concentrate and gather all my intellectual resources for preaching, how can I do justice to the sacred ministry of the word? I am often compelled by the nature of my position to associate with men of the world and sometimes I relax the discipline of my speech. If I preserved the rigorously inflexible mode of utterance that my conscience dictates, I know that the weaker sort of men would recoil from me and that I could never attract them to the goal I desire for them. So I must frequently listen patiently to their aimless chatter. Because I am weak myself I am drawn gradually into idle talk and I find myself saying the kind of thing that I didn’t even care to listen to before. I enjoy lying back where I once was loath to stumble.
Who am I — what kind of watchman am I? I do not stand on the pinnacle of achievement, I languish rather in the depths of my weakness. And yet the creator and redeemer of mankind can give me, unworthy though I be, the grace to see life whole and power to speak effectively of it. It is for love of him that I do not spare myself in preaching him.
With all this unchristian conversation concerning “Lying” it is obvious that Jesus is the Truth we must all follow unless you don’t believe in His divinity. Oh wait, we do have a group in that regard. Ok, continue with this lying topic.
It seems to me if one had Faith in Jesus and not some UFO,Semple, sinful prideful interpretation, esoteric mathematical concept, or assumed salvation based on the sin of presumption. then one would have reason to contemplate eventual eternal salvation.
Those who favor their own prideful interpretation over a magisterium reek of PRIDE. They say no one is smarter than I so I make a choice based on my PRIDE allowed by Free Will granted by God.
Have Faith in Jesus not in self.
IIRC, AS HAVE ALL US PRODDYS THAT I KNOW OF AND NORMALLY CORRESPOND WITH HEREON.
Assertions to the contrary are likely from arrogance, IN-GROUP VS OUT-GROUP EXCLUSIONISM; SELF-RIGHTEOUS PRIGGISHNESS &/OR SIMPLY FROM
THE PIT.
You posted some well put good points.
Thx.
Could have been. Just wasn’t.
Much appreciate your thoughtfulness.
LUB
I don’t know the instance. I can’t comment on it.
INDEED. VERY WELL PUT.
THX.
If you like "shoot and move," a tactic more suited to combat than to debate.
THX. I think I’d misplaced that one. And some of the recent posts . . . welll . . . that’s a most fitting response.
And that’s of those I bother to even glance at. I suspect many of those I don’t even pause at would be much more fittingly given that as a response.
Of course. While no church on earth is perfect, those denominations, along with most every Protestant denomination, preach the truth of salvation by God's grace alone through faith alone in Jesus Christ alone, as Scripture teaches us.
None of which Rome believes, to its everlasting discredit.
Clearly he did not mean that the prelate was invariably good, wise or correct. The whole Dominican polity and rule assumes that prelates will usually be inadequate, which is why the ethos of the order is so democratic.
But, IF we dare to believe the promise that the gates of hell will not prevail against the Church and if we believe the pledges made to the apostles (and understand them as the Catholic Church does) then it makes sense.
That's datum #1. Datum #2 is personal, private confession. We are challenged to act as if we REALLY believe that the most important thing about us is not our sinfulness but the love and forgiveness of Jesus. If I really believe that, the shame that hinders my going to confession will not succeed in preventing me.
To obey the prelate, especially when s/he is a dweeb, to confess some disgraceful act -- all these are to ACT on the belief that the most important thing is not MY opinion or MY esteem in the eyes of others, but God's promises and His forgiveness.
Even if there were no real grace given in confession, it would still be a good thing to do because of the "natural" benefits. And when my superiors (they don't have MUCH power over me) are clearly doing the wrong thing, to acquiesce is to say that I trust God to make it come out all right, AND that He will give me the grace to love them in any case.
In other words, to really DO Catholicism is just to practice the Gospel, to practice trusting God, to practice handing even our "conceit of ourselves" over to Him.
It is no more about MY precious vision, MY perceptive understanding, MY general excellence. Even if my spiritual eyes are put out, my shame is made public, my abilities are taken away, even if GOD hands me over to ecclesiastical idiots, poltroons, and buffoons, still HIS will will be done, because He promised it would, and when the compost hits the air conditioner, all I have is His promise.
There are days, weeks, when being Catholic seems to mean nothing but frustration, embarrassment, and the taxing of my patience beyond its limits.
THEREFORE I am glad to be in full communion with the Church. Maybe one day, at last, I will be humble, obedient, and patient -- as my sweet Lord was.
Well this seems like a good opportunity to post the two items which follow the Athanasian Creed on my freepage.
The first is the “Universal Prayer”:
O my God, I believe in Thee; do Thou strengthen my faith. All my hopes are in Thee; do Thou secure them. I love Thee with my whole heart; teach me to love Thee daily more and more. I am sorry that I have offended Thee; do Thou increase my sorrow.
I adore Thee as my first beginning. I aspire after Thee as my last end. I give Thee thanks as my constant benefactor. I call upon Thee as my sovereign protector. Deign, O my God, to conduct me by Thy wisdom, to restrain me by Thy justice, to comfort me by Thy mercy, and to defend me by Thy power.
To Thee I desire to consecrate all my thoughts, words, actions, and sufferings; that henceforward I may think of Thee, speak of Thee, willingly refer all my actions to Thy greater glory, and suffer willingly whatever Thou shall appoint.
Lord, I desire that in all things Thy will may be done, because it is Thy will, and in the manner that Thou wilt.
I beg of Thee to enlighten my understanding, to inflame my will, to purify my body, and to sanctify my soul.
Give me strength, O my God, to expiate my offenses, to overcome my temptations, to subdue my passions, and to acquire the virtues proper for my state.
Fill my heart with tender affection for Thy goodness, hatred for my faults, love for my neighbor, and contempt of the world.
Let me always remember to be submissive to my superiors, condescending to my inferiors, faithful to my friends, and charitable to my enemies.
Assist me to overcome sensuality by mortification, avarice by alms-deeds, anger by meekness, and tepidity by devotion.
O my God, make me prudent in my undertakings, courageous in dangers, patient in afflictions and humble in prosperity.
Grant that I may be ever attentive at my prayers, temperate at my meals, diligent in my employments and constant in my resolutions.
Let my conscience be ever upright and pure, my exertior modest, my conversation edifying and my comportment regular.
Assist me, that I may continually labor to overcome nature, to correspond with Thy grace, to keep Thy commandments and to work out my salvation.
Discover to me, O my God, the nothingness of this world, the greatness of Heaven, the shortness of time and the length of eternity.
Grant that I may prepare for death, that I may fear Thy judgments, that I may escape Hell, and in the end, obtain Heaven, through the merits of Our Lord Jesus Christ.
Amen.
Next is the Litany of Humility:
O Jesus! meek and humble of heart, Hear me.
From the desire of being esteemed, Deliver me, Jesus.
From the desire of being loved, Deliver me, Jesus.
From the desire of being extolled, Deliver me, Jesus.
From the desire of being honored, Deliver me, Jesus.
From the desire of being praised, Deliver me, Jesus.
From the desire of being preferred to others, Deliver me, Jesus.
From the desire of being consulted, Deliver me, Jesus.
From the desire of being approved, Deliver me, Jesus.
From the fear of being humiliated, Deliver me, Jesus.
From the fear of being despised, Deliver me, Jesus.
From the fear of suffering rebukes, Deliver me, Jesus.
From the fear of being calumniated, Deliver me, Jesus.
From the fear of being forgotten, Deliver me, Jesus.
From the fear of being ridiculed, Deliver me, Jesus.
From the fear of being wronged, Deliver me, Jesus.
From the fear of being suspected, Deliver me, Jesus.
That others may be loved more than I, Jesus, grant me the grace to desire it.
That others may be esteemed more than I, Jesus, grant me the grace to desire it.
That, in the opinion of the world, others may increase and I may decrease, Jesus, grant me the grace to desire it.
That others may be chosen and I set aside, Jesus, grant me the grace to desire it.
That others may be praised and I unnoticed, Jesus, grant me the grace to desire it.
That others may be preferred to me in everything, Jesus, grant me the grace to desire it.
That others may become holier than I, provided that I may become as holy as I should, Jesus, grant me the grace to desire it.
Well who wrote THAT?! Rafael Cardinal Merry del Val?! CARDINAL!? Pope St. Pius X’s Secretary of State?! GREAT HORNY TOADS! Humility?!
Bleh... I’m going to need to add “That I not be such a snarky jerk, Jesus, grant me the grace to desire it.”
Stop calling people names.
DNFTT - some people can dish it out, but they can't take it. There's no problem when they suggest that others cannot be believed without corroboration, but turn about is unfair play.
I say again: DNFTT. Do you copy?
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