Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[Hank Kerchief]

Intended Catholic Dictatorship

The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.

The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).

The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.

The Intentions Made Plain

The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.

Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.

This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!

In Their Own Words

The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.

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Two Comments

First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.

This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.

Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.

—Reginald Firehammer (06/28/10)

[sitetest]

LOL. You are saint to even wade through the sewage.

[BelegStrongbow]

You ol’ Ecumenist you! Pshaw! :P

[Cronos]

Apostles idea of speaking in tongues:

In the Bible, "tongues" always mean languages that really exist or existed. Only the apostles and some of those converted by their ministry spoke in tongues. Generally speaking, the sign-gifts are limited to the apostles (apart from the Lord, of course).

Speaking in tongues is only described in the book of Acts, in the three times when new groups of believers were introduced into the Assembly (or Church) -- the Jews in ch. 2, the Gentiles in ch. 10, and the disciples of John the Baptist in Acts 19:6. The apostles spoke in different LANGUAGES (actual human, understandable languages), without asking for it

ACTS 2

4All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues[a] as the Spirit enabled them. 5Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven. 6When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard them speaking in his own language. 7Utterly amazed, they asked: "Are not all these men who are speaking Galileans? 8Then how is it that each of us hears them in his own native language? 9Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome 11 (both Jews and converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs-we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!" 12Amazed and perplexed, they asked one another, "What does this mean?"

In contrast, the strange noises made by various sham pent-e-coastl groups like oinks, gargling etc. are NOT languages of this world, most are made up, some sound demonic. How can you compare this sham "speaking in oinks" to true, Apostolic speaking in tongues?

[Quix]

Yeah, well . . . I try to be nice and conciliatory at least every other decade.

LOL.

[Natural Law]

"Short Memory?"

No, exactly the opposite. Not believing someone and accusing them of lying are two completely different things.

[Cronos]

It’s chronically amazing that the only whining pictures here are posted by those who whine when they get told that their cult was formed by a sham (Sister Aimee or Machen), that their “healings” are a hoax and that their “talking in tongues” is more demonic than Apostolic (since they do not talk in tongues, i.e. languages, but have strange garglings and oinks)

[Quix]

It’s persistently amazing to me . . .

this

COMPULSION, OBSESSION

TO KILL THE MESSENGER as though THEIR lives depended on it!

Sheesh.

Maybe it was the fact that I attended the first group process group ever held at my university way back in the 60’s.

Regardless . . . I’ve long had a habit of seeking out whatever truth there might be in even off the wall accusations from even crazy folks who cross my path. After all, God used some pretty strange critters—even a donkey—in Scripture times.

So many hereon just seem to be trying out for the Planetary Olympic Jerk Squad rather compulsively without a microgram’s worth of insight.

Seemingly Virtually

No insight into their INSTITUTION.
No insight into their own emotionality/psychology/sociology.
No insight into their own spirituality.

Incredible.

That’s frightful.

Very frightful.

[bkaycee]

This biblical reference of “Doing the Will”seem to imply that you advocate good works in lieu of FAITH. Such an implication would not bode well for you with the fundamentalist cults.
You would be better advised to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior.

You might be replying to me by mistake. My last post was to Quix regarding Luke 7:28

I most certainly have accepted Jesus Christ as My Lord and Savior. I rest complete in Him who paid my ransom. The Just for the unjust.

Have you, by Faith alone trusted in Christ alone by Grace alone, for your salvation?

[metmom]

Not believing someone and accusing them of lying are two completely different things.

If you can justify that.......

Just.... wow......

[Quix]

INDEED.

WELL PUT.

THX.

[Quix]

As you know,

justifying THAT

after justifying the

—no other children of Mary;
—Mary’s assumption;
—Mary as co-Redemptrix/Mediatrix;
—Mary’s Jr Godhood;
—the RCC beginning 300-400 AD and pretending otherwise;
—The Pope’s infallibility (whatever the terms and contex);
—. . .

has to be 2 year old child’s play . . . Hmmmmmmm

[Legatus]

Looks like you’re trying to give Mad Dawg some competition in the sane, reasonable RC responder category!

I know my limits and I know my betters and I'm no competition in sanity and reasonableness. I see Mad Dawg has already addressed some of this but I want to focus on your main quibble, particularly the "temporary role Mary had as the Mother of His earthly body".

I pointed out that I am familiar with the verses you brought up and that I would not argue them with you because I believe you understand them incorrectly and THEREFORE: to argue Scripture is for me to lead you into what I believe is blasphemy. It is for me to sit here and encourage you to mangle the Word of God. I don't want to be that guy.

Perhaps the most important thing for any non-Catholic to understand about Catholics who take the Faith seriously is we actually believe all this "stuff" AND more importantly, that we believe this "stuff" is revealed by God, if one part of God's Revelation appears to contradict another part of what God has revealed then whoever sees the contradiction is deceiving himself. So throwing the Sacred Scriptures around like shotgun pellets is an exercise in futility.

There's no Scriptural citation that anyone can make that I haven't heard or read many, many times. I've integrated them all into my Catholic faith, or rather the Faith has integrated them all into my life. There were a lot of verses that I'd never noticed as a Protestant however, and seeing those aimed me at the Catholic Church. Another thing that has literally changed my life is reading Sacred Scripture out loud, for instance, read Matthew 16:16-19 out loud as if you were having a conversation and pay attention to the mental hoops you have to jump through when you hit the word "this", never mind the grammatical gymnastics involved. I'm very serious about this, going through the Gospels out loud really changed a lot of what I understood when I was a Protestant. I don't mean in the style of an evangelist where everything is just shouted at the top of your lungs either and I don't mean listening to someone else do it because that's not much different from reading silently.

Well I'm way off track... argh. OK, Mary and the idea that her maternity was temporary and she was only mother of the earthly body of Jesus Christ. This doesn't coincide with any conception (hah) of motherhood I've ever even heard of or can possibly imagine. My mom is my mom, I am a person, Jesus Christ is a Person. The same Jesus was born of Mary, died on the cross, rose on the third day and ascended into heaven... The same Jesus is in heaven now. To be colloquial but hopefully not blasphemous: It's the same Guy. The body He received from Mary wasn't a costume that God put on for a part in some play. She's still His mother because He's still, er..., HIM.

Children going nuts and I forgot to put the roast on when I got back from the DMV.

[Quix]

I think I understand your assertions and largely respect them because you are a very respectable Christian Brother.

Thx.

[Natural Law]

"If you can justify that......."

Lying implies an awareness of the falsehood and a conscious decision to proceed. One can be factually incorrect and not be lying.

[Quix]

BTW, I’ve listened to the Scriptures orally most of my adult life . . . often playing all night in at my bedside.

And, I’ve read them out loud a fair amount.

[bronx2]

Thank you for asking. Of course I have accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior. However, time spent on this thread with those purporting to be Christian, yet only indulging themselves in the own sinful prideful interpretations cherry picking bible quotes, allows me to understand how our Savior suffered in the Garden the night before His passion.

It appears that many on the board worship UFOs and deny the divinity of Jesus while worshiping their own self. This PRIDE is the sin of Satan.

Yet I pray for these blasphemers and forgive them as Jesus taught us. I attempt to exude the LOVE exhorted by Paul in the commission of my Christian ministry to the spiritually bankrupt. . God Bless.

[OLD REGGIE]

No dice. It was a thinly vieled accusation that another Freeper was telling lies which is “making it personal.”

Oh well, I tried.

[OLD REGGIE]

Dear Religion Moderator,

I suspect that many folks who post here on the Religion Forum are cognizant of the rules and make some effort to operate within them.

............................................................

And it also looks like a pretty huge double-standard. You have a poster herein who regularly says the most horrible things about Catholics, that if he were to specifically address to specific posters in the actual post, would be against the rules. But the contents of the posts never mention any "RC" by name. He merely replies to a given poster with the remarks that appear to be directly aimed at the poster, but which he is careful to address more generally, and adds a list of Catholics to the address line whom he appears to dislike. But I don't see any RM attention on the threads given to this poster's posts, even though the veil on these personal attacks could be measured in nanometers. But technically, the specific posts do not specifically call any specific poster names or otherwise impugns any specific poster directly by name.

I don't know whether to

or to

Enough crying already!

[smvoice]

I think the RC’s hereon are teaching me something I hadn’t realized quite clearly before . . . a RELIGION founded by folks rather full of themselves convinced that ITS PARTICULAR FETID PILE OF DOCTRINES OF MAN ARE ESSENTIALLY THE ONLY WAY WILL NATURALLY TEND TO COLLECT, cultivate, train, embellish SHEEPLE who are also rather full of themselves.

Fantastic, Quix! But of COURSE, it only makes sense that in order to gather together people who would march step in step straight down the broad path and through the broad gate, singing and arms locked together in complete unison and blindness, an organization would have to believe without a doubt that they have obtained complete authority and control.

What better way than to blow these people full of self-importance and 'pious' acts of 'holiness' that only serve to appeal to the carnal, outer man. Appeal to the senses, make them feel special, and 'unlike the OTHERS' and you have a group that will not only go willingly, but without any TRUE knowledge of EXACTLY why. They don't know without a doubt WHAT they believe, WHY they believe it, or WHERE they are headed. And yet, they ignore the only way to double check their destiny before they arrive.

Want to check the map?

'NOPE, I'm on the right path. It FEELS right. And why should I? There are so many of us, we cannot be wrong... that's how we know we are right, dontcha know, our numbers. And we've always been around, from the beginning...poets, and artists, and the greatest minds that have ever lived are on this path..God will be so glad to us home from the great fight we have fought for Him...and her, and them, and the others..we're just so proud of our work on His behalf..oh, and our suffering, too, always our suffering.."

[Religion Moderator]

LOL