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To: Quix
Looks like you’re trying to give Mad Dawg some competition in the sane, reasonable RC responder category!

I know my limits and I know my betters and I'm no competition in sanity and reasonableness. I see Mad Dawg has already addressed some of this but I want to focus on your main quibble, particularly the "temporary role Mary had as the Mother of His earthly body".

I pointed out that I am familiar with the verses you brought up and that I would not argue them with you because I believe you understand them incorrectly and THEREFORE: to argue Scripture is for me to lead you into what I believe is blasphemy. It is for me to sit here and encourage you to mangle the Word of God. I don't want to be that guy.

Perhaps the most important thing for any non-Catholic to understand about Catholics who take the Faith seriously is we actually believe all this "stuff" AND more importantly, that we believe this "stuff" is revealed by God, if one part of God's Revelation appears to contradict another part of what God has revealed then whoever sees the contradiction is deceiving himself. So throwing the Sacred Scriptures around like shotgun pellets is an exercise in futility.

There's no Scriptural citation that anyone can make that I haven't heard or read many, many times. I've integrated them all into my Catholic faith, or rather the Faith has integrated them all into my life. There were a lot of verses that I'd never noticed as a Protestant however, and seeing those aimed me at the Catholic Church. Another thing that has literally changed my life is reading Sacred Scripture out loud, for instance, read Matthew 16:16-19 out loud as if you were having a conversation and pay attention to the mental hoops you have to jump through when you hit the word "this", never mind the grammatical gymnastics involved. I'm very serious about this, going through the Gospels out loud really changed a lot of what I understood when I was a Protestant. I don't mean in the style of an evangelist where everything is just shouted at the top of your lungs either and I don't mean listening to someone else do it because that's not much different from reading silently.

Well I'm way off track... argh. OK, Mary and the idea that her maternity was temporary and she was only mother of the earthly body of Jesus Christ. This doesn't coincide with any conception (hah) of motherhood I've ever even heard of or can possibly imagine. My mom is my mom, I am a person, Jesus Christ is a Person. The same Jesus was born of Mary, died on the cross, rose on the third day and ascended into heaven... The same Jesus is in heaven now. To be colloquial but hopefully not blasphemous: It's the same Guy. The body He received from Mary wasn't a costume that God put on for a part in some play. She's still His mother because He's still, er..., HIM.

Children going nuts and I forgot to put the roast on when I got back from the DMV.

1,132 posted on 09/02/2010 12:51:14 PM PDT by Legatus (From the desire of being esteemed, Deliver me, Jesus.)
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To: Legatus

I think I understand your assertions and largely respect them because you are a very respectable Christian Brother.

Thx.


1,133 posted on 09/02/2010 12:58:57 PM PDT by Quix (C THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Legatus

BTW, I’ve listened to the Scriptures orally most of my adult life . . . often playing all night in at my bedside.

And, I’ve read them out loud a fair amount.


1,135 posted on 09/02/2010 1:10:12 PM PDT by Quix (C THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Legatus

Good.


1,163 posted on 09/02/2010 3:54:44 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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