Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[Hank Kerchief]

Intended Catholic Dictatorship

The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.

The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).

The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.

The Intentions Made Plain

The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.

Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.

This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!

In Their Own Words

The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.

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Two Comments

First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.

This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.

Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.

—Reginald Firehammer (06/28/10)

[Mad Dawg]

Yep. It’s interesting. And sad.

[Shadowstrike]

This is pathetic

How about we worry about the true threat to life, liberty and happiness...ISLAM!

This is a Muslim manifesto, that has just substituted the word Catholic.

Am I Catholic? No, but I worry more about the Raghead that keeps saying online, in print, and on TV that "Islam will rule the world", than I do about a Catholic with their Rosary.

[rbmillerjr]

Christianity and Truth fiddle...

While Muhammad and the Great Deceiver burns.

[count-your-change]

Since this post was also pinged to me I won't feel that I'm intruding by making a comment on what is the gospel.

Matthew 4:23 gives a rather all encompassing description of Jesus preaching the gospel as “the gospel of the kingdom”.

It was that gospel of the kingdom that was to be preached in all the earth, Matt. (214:14), with Christ as King and High Priest along with those who would rule with him.

It was that gospel that an angel proclaimed to all those “dwelling on the earth”.

Not the whole answer but a few salient parts.

[count-your-change]

Correction not Matt. 214 but 24 and the Rev. 14:6 in reference to the angel.

[Judith Anne]

I've asked many RCs why they thought Jesus spoke in parables. And I've never received an answer. You would think their inability would tell them something. Like maybe they should read the Bible and find the answer for themselves.

What? You mean to say that "RCs" have never answered you? Are you certain that it's inability? Christ Himself told us why He spoke in parables. And frankly, "RCs" likely do not feel themselves compelled to move at all, when Calvinists say "jump."

[Dr. Eckleburg]

The Gospel is the written record of Christ's words and deeds. It communicates the gifts of God to all men. The Gospel (Greek - Euaggelion, Latin - Evangelium) is the source of all saving truth and moral discipline. Only four books of the Bible are identified as such, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

Well, yes, Matthew, Mark Luke and John are called the Gospels.

But what is the Gospel message? What is being taught?

"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the Gospel to every creature." -- Mark 16:15

What's being preached? What does "Evangelism" mean?

What is the Good News? What are the glad tidings?

Please be as specific as possible for you.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Christ Himself told us why He spoke in parables.

And what did Christ tell you about why He spoke in parables?

[D-fendr]

Why? So his dumb disciples could ask him to explain them later.

:)

Seriously, you guys seem to be going off into gnosticism a bit too frequently.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Matthew 4:23 gives a rather all encompassing description of Jesus preaching the gospel as “the gospel of the kingdom”.

It was that gospel of the kingdom that was to be preached in all the earth, Matt. (214:14), with Christ as King and High Priest along with those who would rule with him.

It was that gospel that an angel proclaimed to all those “dwelling on the earth”.

Amen!

I like what Luke says here about the meaning of the gospel...

"And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers,

God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee...

Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:

And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses." -- Acts 13:32-33,38-39

[Dr. Eckleburg]

So why did Christ speak in parables?

[D-fendr]

And when he was alone, they that were about him with the twelve asked of him the parable. And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

And he also taught them other things in private. And they taught those who followed them, things both written and not. And all this is part of the Apostolic tradition, the entirety of Jesus’ revelation: the deposit of faith.

It is not hidden or secret, it is taught freely by the Church.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

READING OF SACRED SCRIPTURE. While a partial indulgence is granted to those who read from Sacred Scripture with the veneration which the divine word is due, a PLENARY INDULGENCE is granted to those who read for at least one half an hour.

And you're PROUD of that transaction?

You read the word of God to get an indulgence in return?

Can you pass that Bible-reading indulgence on to someone else like the "bank of merit?" Sort of like co-signing a loan.

Leave it to Rome to turn even Bible-study into bartering.

We read the Bible to know God and to be brought closer to Him in faith. Not to knock off days in purgatory.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

So why did Christ speak in parables?

[Cronos]

In the liturgical section of the Didache, there are chapters that deal with baptism and on the Eucharist.

On the Mass, priests etc

The Didache (AD 70)

"Assemble on the Lord’s day, and break bread and offer the Eucharist; but first make confession of your faults, so that your sacrifice may be a pure one. Anyone who has a difference with his fellow is not to take part with you until he has been reconciled, so as to avoid any profanation of your sacrifice [Matt. 5:23–24]. For this is the offering of which the Lord has said, ‘Everywhere and always bring me a sacrifice that is undefiled, for I am a great king, says the Lord, and my name is the wonder of nations’ [Mal. 1:11, 14]" (Didache 14 [A.D. 70]).

+Clement (AD 80)

"Our sin will not be small if we eject from the episcopate those who blamelessly and holily have offered its sacrifices. Blessed are those presbyters who have already finished their course, and who have obtained a fruitful and perfect release" (Letter to the Corinthians 44:4–5 [A.D. 80]).

+Ignatius of Antioch (35 to 108 AD)

"Make certain, therefore, that you all observe one common Eucharist; for there is but one Body of our Lord Jesus Christ, and but one cup of union with his Blood, and one single altar of sacrifice—even as there is also but one bishop, with his clergy and my own fellow servitors, the deacons. This will ensure that all your doings are in full accord with the will of God" (Letter to the Philadelphians 4 [A.D. 110])

Justin Martyr (AD 155)

"God speaks by the mouth of Malachi, one of the twelve [minor prophets], as I said before, about the sacrifices at that time presented by you: ‘I have no pleasure in you, says the Lord, and I will not accept your sacrifices at your hands; for from the rising of the sun to the going down of the same, my name has been glorified among the Gentiles, and in every place incense is offered to my name, and a pure offering, for my name is great among the Gentiles . . . [Mal. 1:10–11]. He then speaks of those Gentiles, namely us [Christians] who in every place offer sacrifices to him, that is, the bread of the Eucharist and also the cup of the Eucharist" (Dialogue with Trypho the Jew 41 [A.D. 155]).

+Ireneus (AD 189)

"He took from among creation that which is bread, and gave thanks, saying, ‘This is my body.’ The cup likewise, which is from among the creation to which we belong, he confessed to be his blood. He taught the new sacrifice of the new covenant, of which Malachi, one of the twelve [minor] prophets, had signified beforehand: ‘You do not do my will, says the Lord Almighty, and I will not accept a sacrifice at your hands. For from the rising of the sun to its setting my name is glorified among the Gentiles, and in every place incense is offered to my name, and a pure sacrifice; for great is my name among the Gentiles, says the Lord Almighty’ [Mal. 1:10–11]. By these words he makes it plain that the former people will cease to make offerings to God; but that in every place sacrifice will be offered to him, and indeed, a pure one, for his name is glorified among the Gentiles" (Against Heresies 4:17:5 [A.D. 189]).

And from the Didache again

"Appoint bishops (episkopi) for yourselves, as well as deacons (diakonia), worthy of the Lord, of meek disposition, unattached to money, truthful and proven; for they also render to you the service of prophets and teachers."

[Cronos]

Bishops (episcopoi) have the care of multiple congregations and appoint, ordain, and discipline priests and deacons. They sometimes appear to be called "evangelists" in the New Testament. Examples of first-century bishops include Timothy and Titus (1 Tim. 5:19–22; 2 Tim. 4:5; Titus 1:5).

Priests (presbuteroi) are also known as "presbyters" or "elders." In fact, the English term "priest" is simply a contraction of the Greek word presbuteros. They have the responsibility of teaching, governing, and providing the sacraments in a given congregation (1 Tim. 5:17; Jas. 5:14–15).

We find in the letters of Ignatius, Bishop of Antioch, who traveled from his home city to Rome, where he was executed around A.D. 110. On the way he wrote letters to the churches he passed. Each of these churches possessed the same threefold ministry. Without this threefold ministry, Ignatius said, a group cannot be called a church. Deacons (diakonoi) are the assistants of the bishops and are responsible for teaching and administering certain Church tasks, such as the distribution of food (Acts 6:1–6).

[D-fendr]

As predicted: Next comes the criticism of some Roman Catholic “authority” urging RCs to open up their Bibles at home and read them...

[Cronos]

Shoot and Move, Rn --> your post 10253 said The New testament church has no apostolic succession, no priesthood, no popes

let's hear from a real first Century Christian, pope Clement

"Through countryside and city [the apostles] preached, and they appointed their earliest converts, testing them by the Spirit, to be the bishops and deacons of future believers. Nor was this a novelty, for bishops and deacons had been written about a long time earlier. . . . Our apostles knew through our Lord Jesus Christ that there would be strife for the office of bishop. For this reason, therefore, having received perfect foreknowledge, they appointed those who have already been mentioned and afterwards added the further provision that, if they should die, other approved men should succeed to their ministry" (Letter to the Corinthians 42:4–5, 44:1–3 [A.D. 80]).

Or Ireneus, a disciple of the Apostle John

"It is possible, then, for everyone in every church, who may wish to know the truth, to contemplate the tradition of the apostles which has been made known to us throughout the whole world. And we are in a position to enumerate those who were instituted bishops by the apostles and their successors down to our own times, men who neither knew nor taught anything like what these heretics rave about" (Against Heresies 3:3:1 [A.D. 189]).

"The true knowledge is the doctrine of the apostles, and the ancient organization of the Church throughout the whole world, and the manifestation of the body of Christ according to the succession of bishops, by which succession the bishops have handed down the Church which is found everywhere" (ibid., 4:33:8).

your interpretation is wrong -- the first century Christians practised in a manner similar to what you see in any Catholic Church today. Read about the mass

Didache (a Syrian liturgical manual written around A.D. 70), which stated, "On the Lord’s Day . . . gather together, break bread and offer the Eucharist, after confessing your transgressions so that your sacrifice may be pure. Let no one who has a quarrel with his neighbor join you until he is reconciled, lest our sacrifice be defiled. For this is that which was proclaimed by the Lord: ‘In every place and time let there be offered to me a clean sacrifice. For I am a great king,’ says the Lord, ‘and my name is wonderful among the gentiles’ [cf. Mal. 1:11]" (14:1–3).

So, let's see -- Apostolic Succession, check, Mass, check, Eucharist, check, priesthood, check, episcopal nature, check, popes (bishops of Rome), check.

This looks like the Catholic Church to me -- and that is what the first century Church looked like -- AS DESCRIBED BY FIRST CENTURY CHRISTIANS!!!

And you think that, 2000 years later, you know better about how these people worshipped, better than they who lived it did??

[D-fendr]

I think the Authorized Protestant View is that the history of the Church ended with the last sentences in Acts.

[Cronos]

Some more Early Christian writings for your edification on the priesthood

+Ignatius of Antioch (AD 35 to 108

"Now, therefore, it has been my privilege to see you in the person of your God-inspired bishop, Damas; and in the persons of your worthy presbyters, Bassus and Apollonius; and my fellow-servant, the deacon, Zotion. What a delight is his company! For he is subject to the bishop as to the grace of God, and to the presbytery as to the law of Jesus Christ" (Letter to the Magnesians 2 [A.D. 110]).

"In like manner let everyone respect the deacons as they would respect Jesus Christ, and just as they respect the bishop as a type of the Father, and the presbyters as the council of God and college of the apostles. Without these, it cannot be called a church. I am confident that you accept this, for I have received the exemplar of your love and have it with me in the person of your bishop. His very demeanor is a great lesson and his meekness is his strength. I believe that even the godless do respect him" (ibid., 3:1–2).

"He that is within the sanctuary is pure; but he that is outside the sanctuary is not pure. In other words, anyone who acts without the bishop and the presbytery and the deacons does not have a clear conscience" (ibid., 7:2).

"I cried out while I was in your midst, I spoke with a loud voice, the voice of God: ‘Give heed to the bishop and the presbytery and the deacons.’ Some suspect me of saying this because I had previous knowledge of the division certain persons had caused; but he for whom I am in chains is my witness that I had no knowledge of this from any man. It was the Spirit who kept preaching these words, ‘Do nothing without the bishop, keep your body as the temple of God, love unity, flee from divisions, be imitators of Jesus Christ, as he was imitator of the Father’" (Letter to the Philadelphians 7:1–2 [A.D. 110]).