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To: RnMomof7; Dr. Eckleburg; metmom; Quix; caww; 1000 silverlings
Some more Early Christian writings for your edification on the priesthood

+Ignatius of Antioch (AD 35 to 108
"Now, therefore, it has been my privilege to see you in the person of your God-inspired bishop, Damas; and in the persons of your worthy presbyters, Bassus and Apollonius; and my fellow-servant, the deacon, Zotion. What a delight is his company! For he is subject to the bishop as to the grace of God, and to the presbytery as to the law of Jesus Christ" (Letter to the Magnesians 2 [A.D. 110]).

"In like manner let everyone respect the deacons as they would respect Jesus Christ, and just as they respect the bishop as a type of the Father, and the presbyters as the council of God and college of the apostles. Without these, it cannot be called a church. I am confident that you accept this, for I have received the exemplar of your love and have it with me in the person of your bishop. His very demeanor is a great lesson and his meekness is his strength. I believe that even the godless do respect him" (ibid., 3:1–2).

"He that is within the sanctuary is pure; but he that is outside the sanctuary is not pure. In other words, anyone who acts without the bishop and the presbytery and the deacons does not have a clear conscience" (ibid., 7:2).

"I cried out while I was in your midst, I spoke with a loud voice, the voice of God: ‘Give heed to the bishop and the presbytery and the deacons.’ Some suspect me of saying this because I had previous knowledge of the division certain persons had caused; but he for whom I am in chains is my witness that I had no knowledge of this from any man. It was the Spirit who kept preaching these words, ‘Do nothing without the bishop, keep your body as the temple of God, love unity, flee from divisions, be imitators of Jesus Christ, as he was imitator of the Father’" (Letter to the Philadelphians 7:1–2 [A.D. 110]).

11,200 posted on 10/14/2010 12:32:28 AM PDT by Cronos (Ojciec i Syn i Duch Swiety)
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To: Cronos; RnMomof7
All these sources, not being inspired, are evidently nugatory, and of no authority of any kind whatsoever.

I think we are asked to consider that if we find a scrap of papyrus with the note "Publius owes Quintus 5 drachmas for a dairy cow," it can have determinative authority in determining the price of milch cows in the first century.

But a scrap saying, "Linus, bishop of Rome, joined us at the house of Horatius and we celebrated the mystery in which the Lord was present under the forms of bread and wine," since it is not 'inspired', it is of no authority whatsoever in determining the thought and practice of the first century Church.

But, Cronos, thank you for your harvest of sources. It's very helpful and has earned the precious "bookmark" with oak leaf clusters.

11,275 posted on 10/14/2010 8:29:10 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Cronos; RnMomof7; Dr. Eckleburg; metmom; Quix; caww; 1000 silverlings

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> Ignatius of Antioch (AD 35 to 108)
“Now, therefore, it has been my privilege to see you in the person of your God-inspired bishop, Damas; and in the persons of your worthy presbyters, Bassus and Apollonius; and my fellow-servant, the deacon, Zotion. What a delight is his company! For he is subject to the bishop as to the grace of God, and to the presbytery as to the law of Jesus Christ” (Letter to the Magnesians 2 [A.D. 110]).

“In like manner let everyone respect the deacons as they would respect Jesus Christ, and just as they respect the bishop as a type of the Father, and the presbyters as the council of God and college of the apostles. Without these, it cannot be called a church. I am confident that you accept this, for I have received the exemplar of your love and have it with me in the person of your bishop. His very demeanor is a great lesson and his meekness is his strength. I believe that even the godless do respect him” (ibid., 3:1–2).

“He that is within the sanctuary is pure; but he that is outside the sanctuary is not pure. In other words, anyone who acts without the bishop and the presbytery and the deacons does not have a clear conscience”

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I didn’t realize until reading this that Ignatius was a lost soul.

What a sad testimony!
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11,464 posted on 10/14/2010 4:48:59 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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