Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
To: OLD REGGIE "So Unitarians such as yourself do not believe in the Trinity and deny the divinity of Christ?..."
830 posted on Wednesday, September 01, 2010 2:08:50 AM by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
You asked:
So as a Protestant you had trouble focusing on Jesus and spent all your time on religion, eh???
That might be an overstatement of what I said.
While I was an Episcopalian, that group approved the ordination of women. Whether or not one agrees with that idea, there's no way to make little of it.
My first boss (who also later became Catholic) seemed to have no regard either for plain dealing or for his ordination vows.
My second boss, who became a bishop and has since gone to his reward was an obviously good and pious man.
Then I had "my own" mission. Maybe I was a lousy minister, I'll never know, but I was stunned that, at least in that part of Mississippi the main reason to be Episcopalian was that you could be a "protestant" (or at least, you didn't have to be a dreadful Catholic!) and drink. That seemed to me to be a pretty poor reason to chose a denomination.
I moved to Virginia and was entertained, in our annual diocesan council with the argument that we (the diocese whose bishop married Elizabeth Taylor to Sen. John Warner, her 7th husband, I think) needed to liberalize our canons on divorce even further.
The argument was that in the old days it was so much easier to stay married for life because life was shorter and so many women died in childbirth.
In other words, the dreadful calamity of improved health and medical care imposed such a dreadful burden of longevity on Christian marriage that it was unbearable. Surely our Lord would not expect us poor, robust, vigorous, and healthy people to put up with the same brute or shrew for all those long years. If Jesus had only known ... (Okay, nobody actually said that ...)
To be consistent, with the invention of Viagra, I think the Episcopal Church should give everybody an annulment when either partner to the marriage reaches 55 or so. "Change your partners! Grand right and left -- no make that left and left!"
I left when the homosexuality thing was a cloud on the horizon, no bigger than a man's hand.
I was a "presbyter." I had a duty and a role in the councils of my denomination. BUT an Episcopal nun gave me very good counsel during my pre-ordination retreat: Always remember that it is not YOUR ministry, it is Christ's. So pray, study, seek to discern His will. Offer your priesthood to Him daily, hourly, since it is His and you are a 'priest' only by derivation.
I didn't assume I knew what was right. I did seek more to obey than to command. (I'm sorry if this all sounds nauseatingly pious. I'm not saying I, personally, was good. But I was constantly beseeching God to make my ministry good.)
I DID think that with the representative polity of the Episcopal Church, with its professed loyalty to Scripture (very much emphasized at my Seminary, which went off the rails some years after my graduation) that God could speak and act through this communion, this 'denomination'. It wasn't that I disagreed with what others thought. It's that they didn't make plausible appeals to Jesus, to the Spirit, to Scripture to justify their stands. They seemed to mock the idea of self-offering while thinking that they could speak for God. aside from anything else, that seems reckless to me. God is not trifled with.
I'm guessing that some of my popularity as a preacher was because I tried to preach the Gospel, but in obedience to my superiors. So, for example, when it came time to preach about abortion, since my denomination tolerated it, I asked my hearers to consider what we had done to make abortion seem like a good choice, what we could do to help people remember that every birth is a wonder and every child beloved by God, how we could help to restore the balance so that what some thought they much kill would be seen as something to be cherished, nurtured, supported, celebrated.
For a while there, it seemed that the Episcopal laity was more orthodox than the clergy. But there were theological liberals among them, and they generally seemed to be favored by the clerical order, while a woman friend of mine was discouraged from seeking ordination because of her evident piety and devotion to Jesus.
No. I'm not kidding. I now think that women simply cannot be ordained, but if they could, she would be at the top of my list as a mighty soldier and servant of the Lord.
So now I have no such duty or responsibility. I'm "just" a layman. But I am on the RCIA team, the people who provide instruction and "formation" for adults who are thinking of becoming Catholics. But I don't teach about "the Catholic Church says this and that." I do remind people again and again that this is about the appalling love of Christ, that they must never forget that they are loved and surrounded by gifts of God intended to draw them ever deeper into His heart and life.
Sure, I may quote saints and popes, but it is almost always to develop or to adumbrate some aspect of the Gospel. So, for example, in the class I gave on social teaching I point out that the Good Samaritan NEITHER passed by NOR appealed to some social services bureau or to tax revenues, but gave HIS time and HIS money -- and then develop that into the key notions of "solidarity" and "subsidiarity."
I don't even talk, except maybe to joke, about how to be a "good Catholic. (Fish sticks on Friday are CENTRAL!) I talk about what it means to give yourself daily to Jesus, about how to discern the claws the devil has planted in your soul and how, by appealing to the Love and might of Jesus, to pick those claws out, one by one, the way one does when one's kitten gets a little too enthusiastic and start trying to disembowel one's arm.
Man! I have NO idea where THIS rant came from! I hope Jesus will bless it and you will get some idea of what I think I'm saying ....
LOL!
Me too.
I THINK with prayer, humility, and persistence we can hinder the working out of that law.
Thanks for that perspective. As always someone here says it better than I.
Joe Pro Bono said type it in vs copy and paste
Even that hasn't worked . . . though I threw in an extra ";" after the " which wouldn't work! LOL
Just now I hand typed it all accurately and it's still not working.
This one?
The standard HTML image coding:
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Except substitute < and > for the #'s.
It's not clear to me. I think they have gone sadly astray in what they think about the God of Abraham. So, one might say, they (or many of them) effectively worship a demon. But their increasingly fuzzy and unclear and even perverted intention was allegiance to the God of Abraham.
However, if you're going to play the game your way, you need to get clear about what is an exercise of infallibility and what isn't.
The teaching on Papal Infallibility does NOT say that everything a pope teaches is infallible. So the first thing one has to do is to look for the clues to a claim of infallibility. Usually one will find words like "We declare and define and pronounce" or something like that. There may be an anathema or two in there.
So even if Nostra Aetate is wrong, that wouldn't touch the doctrine of Papal Infallibility.
Those things never hurt anyone, LOL.
However, some things require prayer AND fasting. In the case herein, so much fasting may be needed as to be the death even of me, wide of girth.
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sitetest
AMEN!
Isn't it strange that some Christians prefer NOT to see themselves as closer to Christ than His own mother, as He explicitly told us in Matthew 12, because they are His beloved sheep for whom He was born and died?
What kind of "church" would deny this truth to its congregation?
I hope you are not referring to the Mirror I posted in #921. That was only provided so he could admire his beauty. :-)
We are all Christ’s priests in Christ’s Church, the One Holy Apostolic Catholic Church. As terycarl said we’ll “stick to the religion founded personally by Jesus....that would, of course be Catholicism.”
No dice. It was a thinly vieled accusation that another Freeper was telling lies which is “making it personal.”
Praise God, Christ abides.
I too love that diagram of the Presbyterian denominations. It looks just like the wiring diagram on the back of my refrigerator.
Never satisfied without every drop of multi-colored fonts they can spill while denying spilling any! LOL.
. . . though you think they are MOSTLY interested in lunatic types Q and E! LOL.
They seem to never tire of !!!!DEMANDING!!!! that FR be made over in the Temple of SISTA AIMEE's image AND made a certified official arm of the ForeSquare Ahoy Pent-coastal office.
What arrogance!
I’m beginning to think some folks have been busy collecting all the white hankys they could find and stuffing them in one ear until they come out the other.
Rumor has it they then feel so “holy” they feel light headed.
Small wonder!An example of the pent-e-costal neo-Montanism is William Branham the Father of Neo-Montanism
Even though William Branham denied the Trinity and taught it was a demonic doctrine believed only by those of the whore Babylon false church - he was still revered as a true prophet by almost every major Pentecostal and Charismatic ministry (who are Trinitarian). Even though he believed in numerology and taught that God had made the Great Pyramid - he is still accepted as a true prophet. Even though many of his prophecies regarding future events did not come to pass - he is still regarded as a true prophet. Even though the majority of his teachings are totally in error and diametrically opposed to the plain teaching of Scripture, he is still held up as God's true prophet.
William Branham's heretical theology:
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