Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
What are you doing preachng to us? Christ has every thing you need. Why go to the store? Consider the lilies of the field, pagan! Why have friends? They take away from time you could use to be praying!
Do you have actual full quotes from the council or any of the Popes you reference? In any case, IIRC, Chalcedon was a local council, not an ecumenical one binding on the whole church. The Second Council of Nicaea in 787 (ecumenical) supported the use of images and condemned the iconoclast heresy.
No it neither stumped me nor you.
I’m quite sure that you are aware that RCC ‘traditions’ are pure idolatry, and the mexican jumping bean posts you’ve given here are all the proof anyone needs to see that confidently.
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So why don't you comment on the fact they stated this, and perhaps share with us when then did images and idols enter the catholic church and for what reasons did they finally allow them?
My post was directed to a certain poster and was an 'opinion' not preaching. But if the shoe seems to fit..well...perhaps the Lord is saying something to you. That you must confirm with Him.
My post was directed to a certain poster and was an 'opinion' not preaching. But if the shoe seems to fit..well...perhaps the Lord is saying something to you. That you must confirm with Him.
The RCCs won’t allow anything to be lifted above their beloved Ishtar.
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I refer you to post 10102
You can do your own research...I have left the source. “Google is our friend”..as has been said. Never a good idea to spoon feed people...always better they investigate a matter themself.
Ok D-fendr.....what do you see bowing before an image/idol as?
How about Acts 5:15? Was Peter’s shadow an intercession betwen them and God? Or were they worshipping idols?
Ok, if you can’t answer the question, why not just say so?
So then are you saying that without the images/idols then prayer is “dead and sterile?”.... Or in other words an individual has a need for something MORE than communicating directly with the King of Kings?
I certainly would repeat that...and would have interesting conversation with them that I’m sure, if they were alive.
> “What He makes savable, HE then saves.”
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No, Whomever the Father gave him, them he saved. (Past tense)
The job has been finished for 2000 years.
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Actually, no — if you do read on the history of iconoclasm in the 7th centuries, a lot of what you debate about has already been answered.
I'm sure you are aware (or at least have been informed) that a lot of what any Pope says is his opinion and not binding. The Monophysites and Islam were the leading iconoclasts of the age; I believe I've read that at least one Pope was kind of hoping Monophysitism would just go away.
Images were used from as early as we have records or information. No one said anything about it until it became controversial. My own opinion is that the rise of Islam drove a lot of it, but I suppose the Monophysites could have come to it independently.
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