Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
The only problem is, now that we’ve responded, the prods have another few posts that they can get all worked up in a fake lather about.
I predict another 100 posts just on these few Catholic responses alone. None of them will be in context, all of them will be distortions and falsehoods, accompanied by a slew of scriptures that bear little if any relationship to any topic recently discussed.
Knowing some of the “reformed” posters, a large proportion of their responses will be arrogant, near-plagiarized idiocy from freak websites.
Yeppers.
With a few rah-rahs from the bleachers thrown in.
But.. quantity ain’t quality.
:)
7Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. 9This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son[b] into the world that we might live through him. 10This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for[c] our sins. 11Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.Confession is a necessary part
Romans 10: 9That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be savedTrust is a necessary part
Romans 10:11As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame."[e] 12For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."Listening to the word of God is a necessary part
17Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ.When you say you are saved by faith you are allowing faith to become the source of salvation rather than simply seeing it as the tool or instrument to God, the Source of faith and love and Hope and The Word. Remember +Paul said “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” and +James “faith without works is dead” -- if you insist that you are saved by faith alone, then you also ascribe to +James and say that you are saved by works -- which is incorrect. The Church teaches that we are saved by GOD's grace. when you say you are saved by faith you give yourself the glory for believing in God.
Your statement would have no meaning except to those who have a twisted need to pray before these idols. As I stated, these idols are for those who lack faith. Your comment appears to say they can't pray without them?
The early Christians did just that. Christian art around and above the site of the Holy Eucharist, adorning the areas of the very early Church worship space.
And you cannot possibly judge someone’s faith by where they are praying.
Is praying in a blank room showing more faith? Praying kneeling beside a bed, or at the bedside of a dying loved one? Praying in front of an open Bible? Praying in your home sanctuary adorned with Christian art?
How do you know which of these show more faith? How can any human presume to know the faith of a Christian in prayer?
D-Fender, you are avoiding the issue of praying before idols manufactured, designed and made by men. It is not a question of where one prays as it is to whom they are paying homage to and this via an idol.
Some use them as a crutch, they need to have an image in front of them in order to pray. Some pray to these images as if speaking to the departed via proxy in which they need to “see” a resemblance of whoever they may be praying to, and we know there are those who do just that.
All of these images aren’t even replicas of real people rather how the artists sees them...which for the one praying is someone elses image of what they look like. I see these as a distraction from what Christ otherwise might want to reveal to them without these.
Again, the fundamental question: What makes an idol an idol?
And if others find otherwise? If others see your practice too dead, sterile, distracting, should you change yours?
I just answered that. When it is made with mans hands to supposedly look like a person of which they are praying before or to, and or bowing before... might sum it up.
I doubt you would repeat that in front of the martyrs of the Church risking their lives for their worship in the Catacombs.
I am actually thinking you are falling in Love with the Catholic faith.
You have tried so passionetly to resist.
Else you would not spend so much time in study.
Welcome too.
... or say a prayer while standing before it, does this statue thereby become your idol (in the theological sense)?
Could you, for example, kneel at its base and say a prayer before it an not be idolatrous? According to your definition, no.
So there is something lacking or inaccurate in your definition. What might that be?
But meanwhile..here's some scripture I base my belief on which God says not to do this.
Eze 6:8-9 (NIV) “...How I have been grieved by their adulterous hearts, which have turned away from me, and by their eyes, which have lusted after their IDOLS. They will loathe themselves for the evil they have done and for all their detestable practices.”
2 Ki 17:15 (NIV) They rejected his decrees and the covenant he had made with their fathers and the warnings he had given them. They followed WORTHLESS IDOLS and themselves became worthless. They imitated the nations around them although the Lord had ordered them, “Do not do as they do,” and they did the things the Lord had forbidden them to do.
1 Cor 12:1-2 (NIV) ...I do not wish you to be ignorant... somehow or other you were influenced and led astray to DUMB IDOLS.
Ps 97:7 (NIV) All who worship IMAGES are put to shame, those who boast in IDOLS.
2 Cor 6:16 (NIV) What agreement is there between the temple of God and IDOLS?.... For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: “I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people.”
Jonah 2:8 (NIV) “Those who cling to worthless IDOLS forfeit the grace that could be theirs.”
1 Jn 5:21 (NIV) Dear children, keep yourselves from idols. Ps 24:4 (NIV)..... He who has clean hands and a pure heart, who does not lift up his soul to an IDOL.
The key, friend, is “idol”. Until we understand what makes an idol an idol, the scripture does not apply - that’s the purpose of the illustration. If your definition of an idol is defiicient, your application of scripture is also.
No I am not in error D-Fender...that is not an accurate comparison. Catholics don’t bow down or worship Lincoln’s statue...nor do they place biblical religious meanings to honoring Him,or pray to him via proxy.... though many believe he was a Christian....And they don’t other statues of our nations leaders.
LOL! You don't seriously think he's talking about statues here???
D-Fender....you and I both know fully well what an idol is....any image which, in the catholic faith for instance, depicts a human “likeness” of any of Gods creatures...including departed Christians.. and which people bow down to, pray to, and or worship. An act of religious homage to that idol.
Ok, then, it’s not that it’s a statue (or man made likeness), not the bowing in front of, nor the praying in front of that makes an idol an idol.
Can you please try to define precisely what makes an idol an idol now? Nothing extraneous to the determining factors, only what it is that makes it an idol?
Piping in here...anything which replaces or is interjected from Gods rightful place of worship and bowing before or homage to.
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