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[ECUMENICAL] QUAERITUR: lay Communion minister wouldn’t bless me
WDTPRS ^ | 8/22/2010 | Fr John Zuhlsdorf

Posted on 08/22/2010 9:26:55 AM PDT by markomalley

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1 posted on 08/22/2010 9:26:56 AM PDT by markomalley
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Thank Goodness for Father Z. Thank you for sharing, markomalley.


2 posted on 08/22/2010 9:31:04 AM PDT by sayuncledave (A cruce salus)
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Wow! A Catholic who knows he is unable to receive. Think about the others who receive but have no concept of being in the state of grace!


3 posted on 08/22/2010 9:40:46 AM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel (Obama makes me miss Jimmah Cahtah!)
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To: sayuncledave

Amen!


4 posted on 08/22/2010 9:41:23 AM PDT by CatQuilt (Lover of cats =^..^= and quilts)
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To: markomalley

>>First, lay people who are helping to distribute Communion have no business giving blessings. <<

How about this? Bring back the communion rail and dump the EMHCs. My girls sing at an Historic Church downtown. One priest, one deacon, two communion rails. It never takes longer than 10 minutes.

That being said, My DH is an EMHC. In my parish, they are just what they are supposed to be. Extraordinary. But understanding that we have six Masses on the weekend, packed, we do have times where there are not enough priests to cover everyone.

He was told that if someone comes forward (mostly children), that there is to be NO laying of hands on that person. Just the general “May God Bless you.” as he holds up the host.

Laity is not to give a blessing. Period.


5 posted on 08/22/2010 9:41:56 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am inyenzi on the Religion Forum)
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That being said, My DH is an EMHC. In my parish, they are just what they are supposed to be. Extraordinary. But understanding that we have six Masses on the weekend, packed, we do have times where there are not enough priests to cover everyone.

Similar situation in my parish.

But we have three priests and four deacons. That sounds like 7 ordinary ministers of Holy Communion to me, doesn't it to you?

Not that you'd know about it for any of those six Masses on a given weekend. Yes, surely, on Christmas midnight, Palm Sunday, and the Triduum...but, otherwise?

6 posted on 08/22/2010 9:46:26 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: markomalley

I Corinthians 11:17 - 34 seems complete about Communion, and I see nothing in it about a “blessing” (but we are told to judge ourselves prior to partaking). Is it possible that your church does not follow Biblical teachings?


7 posted on 08/22/2010 9:48:28 AM PDT by Joann37
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Is it possible that your church does not follow Biblical teachings?

I'd say it's very possible that parish doesn't.

8 posted on 08/22/2010 9:49:49 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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>>Not that you’d know about it for any of those six Masses on a given weekend. Yes, surely, on Christmas midnight, Palm Sunday, and the Triduum...but, otherwise?<<

My DH has been called upon twice in his three years of Ushering. He is about as Extraordinary as they get. Priests and Deacons show up for every one of our masses. Even the 8:30pm on Sunday.

We are blessed to have many young men from our parish who are now Priests. If our pastor jets off to our sister parish in Africa or back home to Slovakia, he is covered by the Priests who grew up there.
Last week, we attended the 1:30 Mass and my absolute favorite Priest was visiting from Kenya. He had been with us for a time but had to go back home to care for his mother when his dad died.

They all visit and help. Along with that, we have two retired Priests. We have it pretty good.


9 posted on 08/22/2010 9:56:34 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am inyenzi on the Religion Forum)
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>>Is it possible that your church does not follow Biblical teachings?<<

Oh for heaven’s sake.


10 posted on 08/22/2010 9:59:41 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am inyenzi on the Religion Forum)
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We are blessed to have many young men from our parish who are now Priests. If our pastor jets off to our sister parish in Africa or back home to Slovakia, he is covered by the Priests who grew up there.

Well, that is EXCELLENT.

As a matter of a fact, one could say EXTRAORDINARY!

We, unfortunately, don't have priests show up for Masses where they are not scheduled to celebrate...and the deacons one will find in the congregation as much as up front.

(Mind you, I'm not asking for much...just for them to stay back in the sacristy until time to distribute communion and then come out...and leave as soon as communion is distributed...so it's maybe a 10-15 minute stint per Mass)

11 posted on 08/22/2010 10:05:26 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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I have come to a life’s experiences that people who are constant nitpickers could never do the Job right themselves because they are too busy doing what they do best. Nitpick here! Nitpick there!


12 posted on 08/22/2010 10:23:21 AM PDT by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
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<> Nonsense. What is the basis for this?
13 posted on 08/22/2010 10:32:33 AM PDT by SgtHooper
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To: markomalley

Lay Extraordinary Ministers do not ‘Bless’ people. Folks not able to receive Communion should get in the Priest or Deacon’s line, in order to receive a Blessing.


14 posted on 08/22/2010 11:03:01 AM PDT by SuziQ
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This must be a catholic thing.


15 posted on 08/22/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by SgtHooper
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The practice of row by row Communion increases the psychological pressure. In my opinion it should be slowly by surely eliminated.

This does not, to me, make any sense. If people do not proceed to Communion in some orderly fashion (such as row by row), how are they supposed to do so? Randomly, as each feels moved?

16 posted on 08/22/2010 2:02:45 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Maven of alcoholic beverage bargains!)
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This does not, to me, make any sense. If people do not proceed to Communion in some orderly fashion (such as row by row), how are they supposed to do so? Randomly, as each feels moved?

Well, I am unqualified to put words in Father Z's mouth.

When I read that, I interpreted it to mean the assembly-line like fashion where EVERYBODY gets up to receive communion. A person sitting out because he/she acknowledges him/herself not properly disposed to receive communion is a rarity (at least in the majority of parishes I visit) and would stand out like a sore thumb.

17 posted on 08/22/2010 2:10:14 PM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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People could use sore-thumb-hood as an evangelical opportunity. (If only to evangelize for “None of your business.”)

I think the practice of blessing a congregant who does not receive Communion has more to do with families’ bringing young children with them, since you can’t leave them in the pews most of the time.


18 posted on 08/22/2010 2:21:28 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Maven of alcoholic beverage bargains!)
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19 posted on 08/22/2010 2:25:45 PM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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The priest is the only one who is authorized to extend a blessing.

As a minister of Holy Communion, sometimes people cross their hands over their chest and I simply put my hand on their shoulder and say that God loves them.

Lay ministers are NOT to trace a cross on a parishioner’s forehead — only the priest can do that.

So, I guess I agree with Father Z most of the way.


20 posted on 08/22/2010 2:39:35 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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