Posted on 08/07/2010 3:38:50 PM PDT by Salvation
And yet that was their rationale. I think that the reason that we're in the government mess we're in today in regards to social programs, is in large part due to the church's (and not just Catholics, but ALL Christian denominations) abdication of their obligation to help the poor. You're absolutely right. Voting the responsibility off to the government is NOT fulfilling that command of Christ's
Now I'd like to think that all Catholics, or even all practicing Catholics at least in the United States are fully aware of what the Church teaches about abortion...
You know, that's what the rest of us couldn't understand about why those Catholics voted Dem. Their response was *Yeah, but....*
Come to think of it, I STILL haven't figured out how Catholics continue to do it.
The reason that I see the Catholic vote as the tipping point in the elections, is that not every denomination which is labeled Protestant, really believes the Bible. Many of them have abandoned the truth of it and deny the virgin birth, the atonement, the incarnation, etc. It doesn't surprise me any that they vote liberal.
What does continue to confound me is the Catholics who vote like that in spite of the church's position on the issue.
Would it break your heart to know that Luther didn’t remove any books from the Bible? He merely placed the Apochrypha between the Old and New Testaments.
FWIW, the one person who voted the most staunchly Democrat was brilliant, a very committed practicing Catholic who really knew what he believed, and was the one of the few people (a handful, literally) who I ever met in my life who I trusted completely in every area of life.
I could have given him a million dollars cash to take care of for me and return it in a year and I’d get it back, with interest. Tremendous integrity. But I could never figure out his voting practices.
I can’t help but wonder that if the Catholic church recognizes the baptisms of other denominations as valid, do they consider them Catholic by default and count them as members? Part of that one billion strong?
What have we here? Another example of Catholic compassion and charity?
Catholics are their own worst enemy.
And those are the ones that will push the prot vote over the vaunted 50% that votre for the Dimmies. Funny how the fundies ignore the fact that, most jews voted for Obozo and that ACTUAL real numbers of prots are the ones that put him into office.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2566545/posts?page=231#231
It was not brilliant. It was wrong.
The only 2008 evangelical voting percentage I’ve seen has been for white evangelicals. I’ve not seen the percentage for black evangelicals, but it’s well known the black vote went overwhelmingly for Obama. It would be very interesting to see the percentages combined.
"I see my decision [to convert to RC] as a natural outgrowth of my Evangelical commitment."or Stephen K Ray, most
"read' my way back to the Catholic Church. When I started reading books about what the church actually taught, I was forced to give up many mischaracterizations of her teachings. Indeed, I was struck by the sheer depths of the historical, and biblical arguments in favor of the Catholic faith.Most converts from Evangelicalism, according to this book experience "a desire for transcendance"
describes Protestantism as "one long, continuous line of protesters protesting against their fellow protesters, generating thousands of denominations, para-churches, and 'free churches,' which are simply one-church denominations."Converts instead look to the unity of the Roman Catholic Church.
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The origin of this symbol comes from the Catholic tradition that Simon Peter was crucified upside down, as told by Origen of Alexandria. The tradition first appears in the "Martyrdom of Peter," a fragmented text found in, but likely predating, the apocryphal Acts of Peter, which was written no later than 200 A.D. It is believed that Peter requested this form of crucifixion as he felt he was unworthy to be crucified in the same manner that Christ died (upright). As such, some Catholics use this cross as a symbol of humility and unworthiness in comparison to Christ.
According to Roman Catholicism, the Pope is Peter's successor as Bishop of Rome. Therefore the Papacy is often represented by symbols that are also used to represent Peter one example being the Keys of Heaven, another the Petrine Cross. During Pope John Paul II's visit to Israel, he sat on a chair with the Cross of Peter cut into the back.[1]
The inverted cross is also one of the traditional symbols used by Petrine Orthodox Sebomenoi.
It has also often become associated with Satanic and anti-religious attitudes, as it is considered to represent the opposite of Christianity by inverting its primary symbol, the Latin Cross. As a result, this symbol has become very popular within anti-religion groups and among some extreme metal musicians, notably black metal and death metal ones. In popular culture, including films such as Rosemary's Baby, The Exorcism of Emily Rose and The Omen, Petrine Crosses are often displayed to represent Satan.
In Roman Catholicism the Petrine Cross is not seen as Satanic in any way. However, an inverted crucifix (a Latin cross with an artistic depiction of the crucified body of Christ upon it) is seen as immensely disrespectful, and could be used to represent Satanic forces. The distinction between a Cross of Peter and upturned Crucifix is sometimes obscured, leading to confusion about the acceptability of each symbol. This was seen when controversy arose over the aforementioned Papal visit to Israel; pictures of the Pope sitting before a Petrine Cross were widely circulated on the Internet in an attempt to prove that the Catholic Church is associated with Satanism and the Antichrist
Well, if you think it is wrong for Catholics to protest outside abortion clinics, that is your opinion.
True, and yet can you believe it, the Church survived 2000 years DESPITE this!?! Wow — and all the heresies died out within 500 years. And now the Protestant heresies are dying out. Hooray! Praise the Lord!
Please list the books Luther removed from the bible. .
Now to the word alone... Luther responds thusly
Furthermore, I am not the only one, nor the first, to say that faith alone makes one righteous. There was Ambrose, Augustine and many others who said it before me.
The Roman Catholic writer Joseph A. Fitzmyer points out that Luther was not the only one to translate Romans 3:28 with the word alone.
At 3:28 Luther introduced the adv. only into his translation of Romans (1522), alleyn durch den Glauben (WAusg 7.38); cf. Aus der Bibel 1546, alleine durch den Glauben (WAusg, DB 7.39); also 7.3-27 (Pref. to the Epistle). See further his Sendbrief vom Dolmetschen, of 8 Sept. 1530 (WAusg 30.2 [1909], 627-49; On Translating: An Open Letter [LuthW 35.175-202]). Although alleyn/alleine finds no corresponding adverb in the Greek text, two of the points that Luther made in his defense of the added adverb were that it was demanded by the context and that sola was used in the theological tradition before him.
Robert Bellarmine listed eight earlier authors who used sola (Disputatio de controversiis: De justificatione 1.25 [Naples: G. Giuliano, 1856], 4.501-3):
Origen, Commentarius in Ep. ad Romanos, cap. 3 (PG 14.952).
Hilary, Commentarius in Matthaeum 8:6 (PL 9.961).
Basil, Hom. de humilitate 20.3 (PG 31.529C).
Ambrosiaster, In Ep. ad Romanos 3.24 (CSEL 81.1.119): sola fide justificati sunt dono Dei, through faith alone they have been justified by a gift of God; 4.5 (CSEL 81.1.130).
John Chrysostom, Hom. in Ep. ad Titum 3.3 (PG 62.679 [not in Greek text]).
Cyril of Alexandria, In Joannis Evangelium 10.15.7 (PG 74.368 [but alludes to Jas 2:19]).
Bernard, In Canticum serm. 22.8 (PL 183.881): solam justificatur per fidem, is justified by faith alone.
Theophylact, Expositio in ep. ad Galatas 3.12-13 (PG 124.988).
Now you were saying what?
Are you saved?
This is one of the basic differences in catholic/protestant theology
Catholics believes man is saved THROUGH the church , Protestants believe that the church is composed of the saved..
I believe it is on baptized persons and infants ...So it does not take into account people that never go to church or have changed religions..
My street is probably 75% or more of people that would call themselves "catholic" if asked... maybe 5 % actually go to church .. they are actually unchurched.
I still get Catholic stuff in the mail and I have not been Catholic in 30 years
Only intellectuals can convert to Catholicism as adults. Otherwise you have to be raised in it.
Any religion that can't convert simple people isn't a universal religion.
Catholics deserve much credit for keeping the issue of abortion before the public ... No question they are the prime movers in the pro life movement
But there are protestants that participate in the clinic protests but to say it is only Catholic is technically not true .
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