Alleged Vatican Official Says Extraterrestrials Are Real

I’m not talking about the revelation of Jesus, Mark, I’m talking about your endless fascination with every little thing, including THIS “ quotation mark. ;)

imho,

That scenario is much more than a little plausible.

Some New Age folks have a lot to say along close to precisely those lines . . .

that great MOTHER SHIPS are going to come and take the Christians—particularly the fundamentalist, Pentecostal, evangelical types away to a prison planet for re-education so they can continue on in their ‘incarnations’ . . .

allowing the earth, finally, to progress to ‘its next vibrational stage’ given that it’s those dastardly Christians who are purportedly currently holding the earth back from advancing.

What a pile of horse biscuits from hell.

Yet the numbers of folks believing such are . . . incredible.

I’m not talking about the revelation of Jesus, Mark

I am. As should every Christian. The summation of every little thing add up to big things. And if they vary from Christian doctrine, they add up to bad things. Some very bad things. Look at what is being promulgated on the airwaves and over the Internet today that purports to be Christianity. Aside from EWTN and Relevant Radio, there really isn't very much in the way of true Christianity out there.

MORE GLEANINGS & EXCERPTS FROM Linda Moulton Howe's website. This article is also from the archives for subscribers only. Excerpted by personal permission.

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Part 1: Highly Strange X-File of Edward Leverne Moragne, Ph.D.

“After the military moved the three humanoid bodies out to Edwards AFB,
they were laid out one, two and three. It was like they were dormant in
suspended animation. But during the night when no one was watching,
Number Two got up and went to the other side of Number Three.
It was eerie!” - Edward L. Moragne, Ph.D., Physicist

December 28, 2009 Albuquerque, New Mexico - Twelve years ago on May 8, 1997, I was at the Houston, Texas, home of Edward Leverne Moragne, Ph.D., physicist and chemical engineer. Dr. Moragne was born on July 28, 1915, in Somerset, Texas, and received an M. S. in Chemical Engineering from Columbia University, New York, in 1941, and his Ph.D. in Physics from Columbia in 1943. Three years later in 1946, Dr. Moragne founded the Moragne Research & Development Co. in Houston. Dr. Moragne had been referenced to me as a scientist who claimed firsthand knowledge of non-human entities kept at Edwards AFB, California.

The story started when longtime UFO investigator and author, Leonard Stringfield, reprinted a report by another UFO investigator, Ron Madeley, who interviewed Edward L. Moragne in Houston on April 11, 1990. Ron Madeley used the pseudonym, “Dr. Epigoni” in place of Dr. Moragne's real name. Epigoni is the name included in Len Stringfield's 1991 UFO Crash Retrievals - The Inner Sanctum - Status Report 6. See: 060504 Earthfiles.

April 11, 1990, excerpt by Ron Madeley:

“Dr. Epigoni, as I will call him, is a retired physicist who is nearing 80 years in age and in fair, but steadily declining health. His knowledge might soon follow his name into quiet obscurity, even though he has worked closely with equally brilliant men - men like J. R. Oppenheimer; Albert Einstein; and Dr. Edward Teller, 'Father' of the hydrogen bomb.

As early as 1939, Epigoni was working with the great minds of the day at two research laboratories in New Jersey. That work eventually led to a U. S. Navy post under the direction of John von Neuman. Epigoni worked at the top of the Manhattan Project with the development and detonation of the atomic bomb and later the first hydrogen bomb.

Dr. Epigoni found himself involved in the research end, as opposed to the retrieval end, of crashed flying saucers. During the late 1960s and early 1970s, he was part of a team of scientists working at Edwards Air Force Base on a very special project. According to Epigoni, a flying saucer and its crew landed at Edwards A.F.B. The disc and its occupants were carted off to a secure building at the base for evaluation. It then became part of an ABOVE TOP SECRET project - something he calls ‘Blue Heaven.’”

Before I began my May 8, 1997, audiotaped interview with Dr. Moragne with his permission to use his real name, his wife, Kathryn, gave me a page that I believe Dr. Moragne had assembled to include his August 26, 1969, United States Patent for the invention of the Electromagnetic Separator. At the top of the page were the words, “The American College of Research Scientists and The National Science Foundation of America.” Below was a brief bibliography of his life next to his photograph. There are other photos of the July 16, 1945, first atomic test at White Sands Proving Ground, New Mexico, and photographs of the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan. The photographs and patent were followed by words that seemed to relate to perhaps an award Dr. Moragne had once received: “Presented to Edward L. Moragne, Ph.D., for exceptional technology in inventing the electro-magnetic process, which made the atomic bomb possible, and for being one of the thirteen original men who designed, constructed and exploded the first atom bomb on July 16, 1945, at White Sands, New Mexico.”

FOLLOWED BY PHOTOCOPIES OF DOCUMENTATION OF HIS EMPLOYMENT ETC.
. . .

I began my interview with Dr. Moragne at his Houston, Texas, home on May 8, 1997, by quoting from Ron Madeley's report: “Epigoni said that in the late 1960s and early 1970s, he was head of a scientific team working at Edwards AFB on a very special DOD project, which involved a flying saucer and its crew that landed at Edwards AFB. It landed northwest of the base in a flat part and a door opened and the ‘guys’ described as humanoids walked out and laid down on the ground. All of a sudden, the stairway closed back up and the legs (of craft) closed back up and the spacecraft sat back down on the ground. The humanoids just laid there until the disk and its occupants were carted off to a secure building on the base for scientific evaluation.”

IS THAT WHAT YOU REMEMBER?

Howe May 8, 1997, Interview with Edward Leverne Moragne, Ph.D.: “Well, that's true pretty much. But the legs didn't fold up. The stairway they came down slid back up and closed. Our military people tried every way in the world to get into that spacecraft. They even took electronic torches that use hydrogen and active bromides and electricity to try to cut the metal. But they never could cut it. That crew burned and boiled at that craft for a week or ten days.

FOR A WEEK OR TEN DAYS, OUR MILITARY TRIED TO CUT INTO THE SPACECRAFT?

Yeah, they tried all different spots along the craft.

WERE THERE ANY BURN MARKS OR CUTS?

No. You couldn't even tell where they were trying to burn that craft!

DO YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED THAT CAUSED THE SPACECRAFT AND THE HUMANOIDS TO LAND AT EDWARDS AFB?

No, I wasn't out there at that time. I was in Chicago - we were working in the stadium in Chicago (Fermi lab).

WHEN DID THE SPACECRAFT AND HUMANOIDS LAND AT EDWARDS AFB?

Some time around 1964.

THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN 20 YEARS AFTER THE MANHATTAN PROJECT TO DEVELOP THE ATOMIC BOMB?

That's right. The thing was that Albert Einstein had a theory that light was the source of all the laws of physics - that it would tie in with the planets, with the speed of sound, speed of light, tie in with everything. And if so, why shouldn't light tie in with human beings? There would be somewhere that light had something to do with us humans depending upon the genes we had in our bodies. That's why we had all those medical scientists up there working. We were trying to find things in the human system that no one had ever found before. We knew you are producing electricity.

IN OUR BODIES?

Yes, there is current running through humans. Einstein died (in 1955) still trying to work that theory out. But I have racks of papers that he and Fermi, myself and (Robert) Oppenheimer worked on. Edward Teller was distant from us always. He was trying to get a hydrogen bomb before we even got the plutonium bomb.

DO YOU REMEMBER HOW OLD YOU WERE WHEN THE SPACECRAFT AND HUMANOIDS LANDED AT EDWARDS AFB?

(We calculated he would have been 49-years-old in 1964). I'm pretty sure it was 1964 when we got that call from Edwards AFB because I had just bought a new car and they had changed the models. It was a Thunderbird and the prettiest car I'd ever seen. It was a low car and I'd gotten a light blue color. I was driving from Chicago. By the way, it didn't start at Edwards AFB. It was up there in Nevada in the desert where the big disc landed, out in the boondocks. There were some sheep ranchers that called the U. S. Army at the research station there near Las Vegas and told them this big, round thing had landed up there and they had three men laying on the ground. The ranchers thought they were human beings. I still say they were robots. They had no vein system at all. They were just filled up with liquid.

YOU MEAN LIKE A TUBE WITH LIQUID IN IT?

They felt like a body, like ours. They had muscle, tendons and everything else that you could feel. But if you made a slight cut in one, it was like a brownish-looking oil came out. The military tried to sew the cut up in a hurry, but they didn't have to sew it because the cut healed in just a matter of minutes.

THE SKIN JOINED TOGETHER WITHOUT A SCAR?

Yeah.

DID YOU SEE THE BODIES YOURSELF?

Yeah. I saw three of the humanoids at first when they were laying on the ground. The military moved the three bodies from the sheep ranch to Edwards AFB. The big disc they moved to Air Force 5.

WHAT IS AIR FORCE 5?

In the southern part of Nevada, it's a big, big hangar and the military moved the craft there.

. . .
MAP SHOWN

COULD WE GO BACK TO WHEN YOU FIRST SAW THE THREE HUMANOIDS AND THE DISC? WHAT WERE THE PHYSICAL FEATURES OF THE BEINGS?

Just like us, there wasn't much difference. The three were not identical. There were little differences just like people look different.

DID THE HUMANOIDS HAVE HAIR?

No, not a hair on their head.

WERE THE HEADS SHAPED ANY DIFFERENTLY FROM OURS?

I didn't think they were any different from ours. Their ears weren't any different from ours that I could see. I asked several of the doctors around there and they told me, ‘I know those beings can hear because they have ears designed for hearing.’ The doctors listened for a heartbeat, but they were not allowed to sick any needles into them.

DID THE DOCTORS HEAR HEARTBEATS?

No. Here's the thing that got me. After the military moved the three humanoid bodies out to Edwards AFB, they were laid out one, two and three. It was like they were dormant in suspended animation. But during the night when no one was watching, Number Two got up and went to the other side of Number Three. It was eerie.

WERE THE BODIES LAID OUT ON THE TARMAC AT EDWARDS AFB?

No, the sheep rancher found the three bodies laid out on the sandy ground up there in the northern Nevada boondocks.

DID THE RANCHER OR ANYONE SEE THE BEINGS LEAVE THE BIG DISC AND LAY DOWN ON THE GROUND?

There were two ranchers walking up over a bluff. And just as they got to the bottom, the two men saw this big thing coming in for a landing. The men were scared. The way they explained it to me was that one guy said, 'Let's run like hell!' But the other said, 'No, just stand still and don't let them know you're afraid. They might be coming out here to meet us. They might hand you a bag of gold or something else. You don't know what they're going to do.'

So the two ranchers stayed. They told me the first thing they saw was a stairs came down real slow and stopped on the ground. One of them said, 'See, they're going to come out.' And three guys came walking down the steps. As soon as the three beings were down on the ground, they all laid down together and the steps raised back up!

And here's another thing, too. When those steps were back up in the craft, the ranchers couldn't see much of a seam anywhere. When I got to look at the disc up close, it was like you had drawn a pencil line where the stairs had been. I could not feel a seam anywhere.

WHEN DID YOU FIRST SEE THE THREE HUMANOIDS?

When I first saw them, they were still on the sheep ranch desert laying on the ground. The big disc had been there about five days when I drove there.

WHO ASKED YOU TO GO THERE?

The man who was in charge of UFOs at Edwards AFB, California.

DO YOU REMEMBER ANYTHING ABOUT THE HUMANOID EYES?

I pushed the eyelid back a little on one and it didn't look any different from our eyes.

DR. MORAGNE, LET ME READ A LITTLE MORE FROM RON MADELY'S 1990 INTERVIEW WITH YOU.

From Ron Madeley's April 11, 1990, interview with ‘Dr. Epigoni’ (Dr. Moragne): “Dr. Epigoni said that the flying saucer was kept in a big hangar. ‘They have guards all around that thing, and I'm talking about guards! And there isn't any way you can get through. I don't care what you do - they've got all types of security there. You've got four rows of guards before you get to where the humanoids are kept and twelve damn big fences electrified.’ Dr. Epigoni said he told a Major General in the hangar that he wanted to feel the craft and see if he could feel an opening. The general told Dr. Epigoni that he could feel if he wanted to, but it's as smooth as it is anywhere else. Dr. Epigoni found there were no seams in the disc craft at all. ‘I figured it had some kind of molecular structure in which it would open up and when it would close, it would reseal itself.’”

The military also said you could shine a light down in the ceiling part of the big disc and they could see three more humanoids sitting in there. I never saw them because I never climbed up on the disc to the top to shine a light down inside.

BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU EXAMINED THE THREE BEINGS, FELT THEM, AND SAID THEIR EYES WERE LIKE A DOG'S - ONLY ONE COLOR?

They were. The eyes had one color with a little pupil in the middle like our eyes. But our eyes have whites around the irises. Those eyes were all one color without white to the sides.

THEN THE HUMANOID EYES WERE NOT REALLY HUMAN?

Well, they had a pupil like ours. The pupils were a kind of gray color and the rest of the eye was brown.

A SOLID BROWN EYE?

Yeah. I remember that the humanoids' pupils were a little, grayish-brown tinged thing and in the middle of that pupil was a lens like a cat's eye - a vertical slit.

VERTICAL PUPILS. AND NO HAIR?

Right.

NOSE, MOUTH, TEETH?

Yes, same as ours, including teeth.

CLOTHES?

They had little short pants that were tight-fitting and a tight-fitting top like a leotard with a sleeveless weskit over it.

WHAT COLOR WAS THEIR SKIN?

A light tan, light brownish.

HOW MANY FINGERS AND TOES?

Same as us, and they had fingernails either filed real close or they didn't grow. I don't know.

BETWEEN 1964 AND 1997, WHERE ARE THOSE BODIES NOW?

I've talked with many people who have been out there and studied them. The military keeps switching those bodies around and then leave them to see what happens. So far, humans say they have never seen the bodies move, but the bodies return to a particular one, two, three order. Whether one man gets up and lays in a new position or something lifts him up and puts him in a different order - the military have never been able to see that happen.

THE HUMANOIDS STILL KEEP MOVING AROUND?

Yeah, if you move one and put him over there on the other side where he didn't belong, apparently, he will be back on the other side.

WHERE DID EDWARDS AFB KEEP THE HUMANOID BODIES?

I think it was called Hangar 8, and as far as I know, the bodies are still there.

ANY INFORMATION ABOUT WHERE THE CRAFT AND HUMANOIDS CAME FROM?

No.

. . .

[some discussion on efforts to investigate the craft with acids that would etch glass but had no effect on the craft.]

. . . THEN PART 1 ENDED.

Part 2

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Part 2: Highly Strange X-File of Edward Leverne Moragne, Ph.D.

“The Edwards AFB people said that there were little slits up there
in a narrow rise only about 8 or 10 inches high atop the disc. It was through
the slits they could shine lights and saw three humanoids sitting inside
at what looked like an operating console.” - Edward L. Moragne, Ph.D., Physicist

. . .

December 29, 2009 Albuquerque, New Mexico - Continuation of Linda Moulton Howe's May 8, 1997, interview with Edward Leverne Moragne, Ph.D., at his Houston, Texas, home:

Howe May 8, 1997, Interview with Edward Leverne Moragne, Ph.D.: “DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT THE BOTTOM OF THE BIG DISC CRAFT LOOKED LIKE THAT CAME DOWN IN THE NEVADA DESERT IN 1964?

It was a big oval on the bottom and on the top.

WHAT THE SURFACE LIKE?

Bright silver-colored metal, looked sort of like bright stainless steel.

THAT SOUNDS SOLID. HOW DID THE MILITARY AND SCIENTISTS LOOK INTO THE TOP PART AND SEE THREE MORE HUMANOID BODIES AS YOU DESCRIBED?

The Edwards AFB people said that there were little slits up there in a narrow rise only about 8 or 10 inches high atop the disc. It was through the slits they could shine lights and saw three humanoids sitting inside at what looked like an operating console.

LIKE THE HUMANOIDS WERE IN SUSPENDED ANIMATION? OR WERE THEY MOVING?

They were just sitting there, so they would have to have been in suspended animation like the other ones that laid down in the desert, I guess. Everyone had a hard time with that concept because no one thought that could be done to a human being. We've got to feed all our tissues or they will die. What was feeding those beings inside the top of the disc and those that laid down on the ground?

. . .

DID THE HUMANOIDS BREATHE?

No, they didn't breathe at all.

HEART BEAT?

No heart beat.

YET, THOSE BEINGS COULD GET UP AND MOVE?

I think they were robots, controlled by some distant planet or spacecraft or something, because those bodies in suspended animation could be brought back to life in an instant and probably put the big disc right back into service. I don't know why that didn't happen.

WHY DO YOU THINK THEY ARRIVED AND WENT INTO SUSPENDED ANIMATION?

None of the people I knew at Edwards AFB found out. I think they are still trying to find out. The last grilling I took with the space agency was that the space agency set up a department to investigate spacecraft and things like flying saucers.

ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT NASA?

Yes.

DID DAVIS AND DAVID WORK FOR NASA?

I never did find out who exactly they worked for because I was introduced to a lot of professors and doctors from universities all over the United States trying to study the disc and the humanoids.

WHEN YOU WERE CALLED IN FROM CHICAGO TO SEE THE BODIES AND SPACECRAFT, WHAT DID THE AUTHORITIES WANT YOU TO DO?

They put it to me this way: ‘Were those bodies burned?’ I said, ‘No.’

‘Was there any nuclear radiation around the craft that would hurt military or scientists who walked around it?’

I got two scintillators that I had designed and built myself to test for radiation. And we could not find any form of radiation there whatsoever.

WHAT ELSE DID THE AUTHORITIES WANT YOU TO DO?

They wanted me to look at the craft and see if I could determine what was causing it to travel at the immense speed it had traveled and how could it turn on a 90-degree angle at those very high speeds.

SO THE MILITARY HAD TRACKED THE CRAFT ON RADAR?

Well, they had some radar images that showed craft doing such maneuvers, but not the specific disc that came down in the Nevada desert that the humanoids came out of and laid down on the ground.

. . .

DID ANYBODY TELL YOU THAT THE U. S. HAS OTHER NON-HUMAN BODIES AND CRAFT THAT LOOK DIFFERENT THAN THE DISC AND ITS HUMANOIDS THAT YOU SAW?

Yeah, I heard that, but I haven't seen other craft and bodies. I do remember them talking about other alien beings that had Chinese-looking eyes, slanted, and had no ears, no holes for a nose and not much of a mouth. I wondered if those robots laying there might not even need the mouths they had! I don't know. Maybe cosmetic camouflage?

LET'S GO BACK TO 1964 WHEN YOU WERE IN THE NEVADA DESERT FIRST. WHAT HAPPENED?

Well, I was told the disc was going to be moved to Edwards AFB for further research. But then everyone realized it would not fit in the hangars there, which were not large enough to fit around the big disc.

HOW LARGE WAS THE CRAFT?

The disc was about twice the width of our biggest bombers at the time - at least as long as a football field (100 yards or some 300 feet). So, I was told the disc would be taken to Air Force 5 in southern Nevada and as soon as it was there, they would send for me and I could really test it. I figured I would have a free hand. But when I went down there, I was told, ‘No, don't touch that. Don't do this. Don't do that.’

I said, ‘You told me to come down here and check the thing out. So, why don't you let me do that?’

The military guy said, ‘There are certain things we've already checked and there's no use your looking at them.’

I said, ‘If you already knew, what the hell am I doing down here?’

‘Well, the thing is that maybe you can discover something we haven't discovered.’

‘How can I do that if I can't be free to explore and investigate? I would like to look in that window that the scientists looked in and saw those three guys sitting in there. I'd like to see what the instrumentation looks like.’ But for some unknown reason, he wouldn't let me do that. He said it was not necessary and I was not going to beg them to do anything. In fact, I became anxious to get out of there.

. . .

They said they saw a lot of instruments that had knobs on them, but I don't remember about hand prints. They did say that if it were possible to open that craft up ever again and/or those humanoids in there came out or the three on the ground went back in - then the scientists figured those humanoids would take off and that would be the end of that.

There was another odd hypothesis - those scientists figured that when those humanoids came down into the Nevada desert, they brought down some transparent individuals with them who are out seeing Earth to find out what's going on here. But we can't see the explorers who control the humanoid robots tending the disc! Those men had more phenomenal theories than anyone in my life!

YOU MEAN GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF TRANSPARENT BEINGS MOVING AROUND ON OUR PLANET?

Yes. That was a conversation with an Army military intelligence doctor named Graham. He was a real regular fellow, very nice. He did not wear a uniform. He was one of the top men in that military intelligence unit.

DID GRAHAM TELL YOU ABOUT ANY OTHER BEINGS AND CRAFT HE HAD SEEN?

No, but he said he had gone to 40/11 sites.

WHAT DOES 40/11 MEAN?

It means sites where spacecraft had landed. I don't know how many. Graham said that out of all of them, he had seen where some had scraped the ground. And two or three others you could see where the craft hit the ground. So, the big disc in the Nevada desert was one of the only ones he had seen that appeared to have actually landed.

. . .

Then he said, ‘They set me in a room and put my wife in another compartment. I could see her sitting right there! And those ‘people’ put all kinds of electrodes on our heads, backs and stomachs and we were there for about two minutes. Then they took the electrodes off and put us back in our car and we were driving on our way again.’

YOU HEARD THIS AT EDWARDS AFB?

Right. Those people in Pueblo reported what happened to someone in the government. Then the government turned around and told them they were lying. I don't know.

. . .

WHAT DID THE CRAFT'S SURFACE FEEL LIKE?

Like smooth stainless steel, but it wasn't. Any time you take a carbon torch and hit a piece of stainless steel, you've got a mass of molten metal there. But we hit that surface with not only a carbon torch, we put carbon-hydrogen arcs on that thing for hours upon hours and that disc surface never even got red hot!

DID YOU EVER LEARN WHAT COULD BE SO RESISTANT?

No, that's why the authorities wanted a piece of the craft cut off so they could analyze it.

BUT HOW COULD ANYTHING BE CUT OFF FROM METAL THAT CARBON ARCS CAN'T CUT?

Well, I don't know, but that's why we were trying to cut it. We knew we could not use saws. I watched one saw just sit there running on the disc's surface like you were polishing with the blades! And we used a diamond saw that never showed a scratch. The military tried to use the latest things they could think of to get into that disc.”

. . .

The end of Part 2

EXCERPTS FROM PART 3

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Part 3: Highly Strange X-File of Edward Leverne Moragne, Ph.D.

“We discovered the humanoids had electronic units in their heads
that resembled klystron tubes.” - Edward L. Moragne, Ph.D., Physicist

. . .

WHAT DID THE SCIENTISTS, DAVID AND DAVIS, TELL YOU THEY LEARNED?

It's not like metal as we know metal. It could be another type of material altogether.

DID THOSE TWO MEN AGREE IT WAS AN EXTRATERRESTRIAL CRAFT AND THOSE WERE EXTRATERRESTRIAL HUMANOIDS IN IT AND ON THE GROUND?

They'd have to be from outer space somewhere. I got a report from someone in our government on robotics written by a very brilliant Chinese scientist. He worked for NASA.

. . .

SO, THAT'S WHAT YOU, YOUR SCIENCE COLLEAGUES AND THE MILITARY WERE WORRIED ABOUT - THAT THE HUMANOIDS WERE ROBOTS UNDER THE CONTROL OF YET SOME OTHER INTELLIGENCE?

Yes. They definitely weren't like people. They had to be robots, or androids. [ Robots are mechanical and controlled by outside programming; androids are biological and controlled by outside programming.]

YOU SAY THAT BECAUSE THE HUMANOIDS HAD NO BLOOD VESSELS, NO HEART BEAT AND NO BREATHING?

We discovered the humanoids had electronic units in their heads that resembled klystron tubes.

HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT?

We x-rayed them. The U. S. authorities took the x-rays and I was told the power that had to be put into the x-ray energy would kill a man in a few seconds. But they got pictures and those things looked like klystron tubes in those heads.

[ Editor's Note: A klystron tube is used to produce microwave energy. In this application, it works in a similar manner to a pipe organ tube, except that the klystron tube uses electrons, while the pipe organ tube uses air. When the air in the organ tube vibrates, the pipe organ tube emits sound energy of a specific frequency that we hear as a single note. When the electrons in the klystron tube vibrate, the klystron tube emits high frequency microwave energy that can be detected by a radar receiver. Klystron amplifiers have the advantage (over the magnetron) of coherently amplifying a reference signal so its output may be precisely controlled in amplitude, frequency and phase. Many klystrons have a waveguide for coupling microwave energy into and out of the device, although it is also quite common for lower power and lower frequency klystrons to use coaxial couplings instead. Klystron combines a Greek verb referring to the action of waves breaking against a shore with the end of the word electron.]

The wiring diagrams looked like they were similar because all the components were similar.

YOU SAW THE X-RAYS YOURSELF?

Yes. Dr. Graham, head of that military intelligence unit, showed them to me. He told me, 'I can't figure any of that stuff out.'

I said, 'Well, in high frequency techniques, we use the klystron tube to send signals out on radar. And they are bounced back and picked up on a Fermi tube. I could give you your picture so it comes back. Then you have to condense it down into whatever form you want.'

Dr. Moragne explained that he could make the radar machines show a real picture or just a 'bug,' like the white dots on radar today. Otherwise, we had a screen marked off in miles and if this thing is over here in a 50-mile-zone, they look at it and say it is so many degrees north of here or there and you can see the outline of a ship on there.

HAVE YOU EVER SEEN DISKS OR OTHER TYPES OF NON-HUMAN CRAFT MOVING ON RADAR?

No, but they showed me videos they had taken, on like what we would call today a camcorder-type device. The government was videotaping in 1964, when the rest of the world didn't know it.

WHAT DID YOU SEE IN THE X-RAYS DR. GRAHAM SHOWED YOU?

I saw a bunch of electronic parts. I could not tell you what they did because we had no wiring diagram to go by and the x-ray didn't even show the path of whatever wires were there. It just showed components.

WHAT KIND OF COMPONENTS?

They looked like tubes to me - they might have been metal. They could not have been glass because they wouldn't have showed up in the x-ray. But from the connectors on top of the tubes and on the two sides and the bottom, they looked like klystron tubes to me.

YOU USED A KLYSTRON TUBE IN RADAR BACK THEN TO DO WHAT?

To put out a beam that was a microwave and it would wave out and come back in.

WHAT RECEIVED BACK THE MICROWAVE BEAM?

The Fermi tube.

IF THE HUMANOIDS HAD KLYSTRON TUBES IN THEIR HEADS, DOES THAT SUGGEST THEY WERE SENDING OUT RADAR SIGNALS?

They were sending a lot of information out of their heads. They could send out 10 million signals at one time with as many tubes as they had in their heads. With only one tube, you can send out several million signals - with each jolt of electricity. For instance, the authorities found that those klystron tubes were so fast and could handle so many signals at one time, that you could feed a bunch of mathematical formulas in there and punch the button and get answers. They really speeded up computation.

. . .

When I told them back in 1964 that the x-rays showed klystron tubes in those heads, the authorities asked me why I would say that. I told them the connections looked like they were wired up that way with eight connection points for wires. So I knew those tubes were getting signals from something and sending signals back to somewhere.

. . .

I have 319 patents. Some relate to weapons systems and some not. But you can't get copies of them now because they are classified.

ARE THE WEAPON SYSTEMS TO BE USED ON HUMANS OR SOMETHING IN OUTER SPACE?

I can't tell you about that either, but some of them could be used in outer space.”

. . .

END PART 3

I saw something I got a look at through a telescope once that I have never been able to figure out.

It was a red center sphere with smaller green lights that looked like spheres flickering as if they were going around it.

It hung low in the western horizon, stationary, just before sunset, and looked like it was lit up from inside. The entire thing was glowing as if it were a light. It was not reflecting sunlight.

It looked the same through the telescope as with the naked eye. I never did find out what it was. I read the papers and all, and we didn’t live near an air force base.

If it had been moving, I might have written it off as a weather balloon or airplane, but it just hung there and flickered for quite some time.

It was pretty weird and I’ve never seen anything like that again, even with all the star gazing I’ve done.

“Such folks—CONSERVATIVE FREEPERS—no less!!!!—evidently await the” [imprimatur of the main stream media]

You may find their obdurate refusal to agree with your vision to be exasperating, but I don’t think that it can be put off to our FReepers’ slavish devotion to media pukes. We daily see too many posts in FR expressing contempt for media pukes to set any stock in the possibility they feel a great influence from that quarter. Their disdain mirrors yours and mine.

“Mystifying.”

We are on the path to our ultimate fate (or our next destination – however you might wish to express it), and we are, each of us, at a different point (stage?) on that path. So, none of us shares precisely the same perspective (that fellow Einstien had quite a good thought there), or if we do, it’s more a coincidence than anything. Perhaps that little insight will serve to demystify your complaint to some degree. Let us, rather, rejoice in the many things about which we are in accord, chief among which is the salvation to be found in Christ and the glory of God.

Thank you, my Brother, for your kind words of support.

PART 4

FROM:

http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1658&category=Real+X-Files

Part 4: Highly Strange X-File of Edward Leverne Moragne, Ph.D.

“President Ronald Reagan knew more than I did, actually.
He had seen photographs of those humanoids that were on the ground
in the Nevada desert and at Edwards AFB.” - Edward L. Moragne, Ph.D., Physicist

. . .

Howe May 8, 1997, Interview with Edward Leverne Moragne, Ph.D.: “DO YOU THINK THERE IS ANY EVIDENCE OF WARRING PLANETS, OR SOME KIND OF EXTRATERRESTRIAL CONFLICT? DID ANYONE AT EDWARDS AFB TALK ABOUT THAT?

Not from Edwards, but I met a man who seemed to know a lot about three different planets at war with each other and non-humans that use some kind of powerful weapons. But I don't know any details.

DID YOU EVER WORK WITH VANEVAR BUSH, PH.D.?

. . .

WHAT WAS THE PROJECT?

It had something to do with warfare, but was classified. I can't discuss what it was. He worked on many kinds of military systems. I can't tell you any more than I've told you. We need to get off him altogether.

BUT HE'S DEAD LONG AGO. WHAT WAS HE INVOLVED IN THAT WAS SO SENSITIVE?

He was in a highly classified position and had many projects handed to him at one time. There is enough classified material left behind by that man, it could wreck the country.

NOW THAT DR. BUSH IS GONE AND EVERYTHING OLDER THAN 25 YEARS IS SUPPOSED TO BE DECLASSIFIED, WHY COULDN'T YOU TELL ME WHAT YOU WERE WORKING ON BACK IN THE 1940S?

. . .

DID YOU TALK ABOUT THE SPACECRAFT AND BEINGS WITH ANYONE ELSE BEYOND DR. GRAHAM, DAVID AND DAVIS?

Yes, I talked with several generals about that.

WHAT GENERALS?

General Groves. Back when he was first made general, we talked about some things that blew up in the desert.

. . .

[ Editor's Note: Wikipedia - “Lieutenant General Leslie Richard Groves (August 17, 1896 – July 13, 1970) was a United States Army Engineer officer who oversaw the construction of the Pentagon and was the primary military leader in charge of the Manhattan Project to develop the atomic bomb during World War II. ]

. . .

WHICH ONE?

The one at Air Force 5 in southern Nevada that had the humanoids come out and lay down on the ground.

THE SANDIA BASE Z DIVISION KNEW ABOUT AIR FORCE 5?

I think they knew more about it than just about anyone else.

AT&T WAS INVOLVED WITH THE Z DIVISION, WASN'T IT?

Yes, it was.

DID YOU EVER KNOW ANYONE AT AT&T WHO KNEW ABOUT THE SPACECRAFT AT AIR FORCE 5?

No, I didn't talk with AT&T about the spacecraft, but I knew they were involved.

HAVE YOU EVR HEARD THE PHRASE, ‘Manhattan Engineering District Joint Chiefs of Staff Integrated Command?’

Yes.

WHAT DID THAT MEAN TO YOU?

The Manhattan Project was the atom bomb. And they worked with Los Alamos and the White Sands Project in a combined effort. I sat in on some of their meetings out at Oak Ridge, Tennessee.

DID THEY EVER TALK TO YOU ABOUT YOUR NEEDING A MAJIC CLEARANCE OR A MAJESTIC-12 CLEARANCE?

Well, I had a top clearance - a red shield with the red, white and blue on the bottom. I could go anywhere. I could walk into the President's office in the White House with that thing on.

DID IT HAVE YOUR NAME ON IT?

Yes, it had my name on it and you could not duplicate it because it was stamped into the metal.

. . .

[a photo copy of a letter to President Reagan advocating some research projects . . . including involving high speed and right angle at high speed capable propulsion systems.]

. . .

WAS THE PROPOSAL TO PRESIDENT RONALD REAGAN BASED ON BACK-ENGINEERING OF A CRAFT LIKE THE ONE YOU SAW IN THE NEVADA DESERT THAT WAS TAKEN TO EDWARDS AFB?

Beyond that. I wanted to design a craft that would go between 30 and 60 times the speed of light.

HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE?

You have to change direction of atomic material a little bit to do it. You go through with light and you're in a stall and reach a point of resonance where you don't age anymore.

. . .

DID YOU EVER TALK WITH PRESIDENT REAGAN ABOUT THIS PROPOSAL?

Yes. He wanted something that would cost the government practically nothing, but would employ 100,000 people. And he could not get that from the proposal.

DID YOU EVER TALK WITH HIM ABOUT UFOS AND NON-HUMAN BEINGS?

Yes, President Ronald Reagan knew more than I did, actually. He had seen photographs of those humanoids that were on the ground in the Nevada desert and at Edwards AFB.

DID PRESIDENT REAGAN KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THOSE BEINGS ON THE GROUND?

He said to me, ‘Whoever sent them here sure was a waste.’

WHY DID HE THINK IT WAS A WASTE?

It was a very valuable and important spacecraft that was laying out there.

. . .

[ Editor's Note: U. S. President Ronald Reagan first raised the idea of an outer space threat during a December 4, 1985, speech at the Fallston High School in Fallston, Maryland, where he told students about his first November 19, 1985, summit with General Secretary Mikhail Gorbachev in Geneva, Switzerland. According to a White House transcript, President Reagan told Gorbachev to think, “how easy his task and mine might be in these meetings that we held if suddenly there were a threat to this world from some other species from another planet outside in the universe - we'd forget all the little local differences that we have between our countries ...”

Two years later at the full session of the United Nations General Assembly on September 21, 1987, Reagan said towards the end of his speech to the 42nd Session, “in our obsession with antagonisms of the moment, we often forget how much unites all the members of humanity. Perhaps we need some outside, universal threat to make us recognize this common bond. I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world. And yet, I ask is not an alien force already among us?

What could be more alien to the universal aspirations of our peoples than war and the threat of war?” ]

. . .

end part 4

WELL PUT.

I mostly . . . 98%? agree! LOL.

THANKS FOR YOUR KIND AND BIBLICAL PERSPECTIVE.

BLESSINGS,

UFO’S HAVE BEEN SEEN TO GIVE OF MANY SIZES OF SPHERES including some inches in diameter.

They are generally considered to be recon sorts of observer spheres.

Some seem capable of being used as weapons.

Some have been seen during the formation of crop circles.

Some of the spheres have been seen to emit smaller spheres.

They tend to all give off light of various colors and types.

There is one convincing report of a 3’ opalescent whitish sphere about 3’ in diameter being carried on a stretcher and loaded into an ambulance that then took off under escort.

Sometimes it seems like the spheres can merge into one sphere or connect or enter one another in mysterious ways.

148 KLYSTRON CV35

It makes NO sense to me how spaceships and aliens are going to seduce people of the world to obey a world government.

If the rapture happens as many expect, it's been suggested that the explanation for the disappearances is going to be blamed on ETs.

If that's the case, it's likely that the way the one world government is going to be established is by uniting mankind against the *threat* the ETs are going to pose. The rationale could very well be that mankind needs to unite against this threat and that loyalty to humanity will be displayed by taking a tattoo or mark on your hand or forehead as a visible sign, maybe even of your humanity, if the ETs are suspected of being able to impersonate humans.

The appeal to people to convince them to take the mark might be that the one world government wants only to sell only to certified human beings. *Show your loyalty to mankind by getting your mark today.*

Of course, much of the one world government is going to be FORCED on people. It's not going to be a matter of getting their co-operation. It may start that way, but it will be imposed soon enough.

PART 5

FROM:

http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1660&category=Real+X-Files

Part 5: Highly Strange X-File of Edward Leverne Moragne, Ph.D.

“The field resonance system work I was pursuing was basically
a system that would bypass space and time and might effectively exceed the
speed of light by at least Dr. Moragne's numbers - to some degree near
instantaneous transport.” - Alan C. Holt, Aerospace Engineer

. . .

January 7, 2010 Albuquerque, New Mexico - My January 3, 2010, Earthfiles report included a letter from Alan C. Holt, President of Holt Research and Development Co. (1983 - 1986) to President Ronald Reagan with a copy to Edward L. Moragne dated March 27, 1983. After my report was posted, I received an email from Alan Holt. He has worked as an aerospace engineer since 1967, when he graduated from Iowa State University with a B. S. in physics, followed by an M. S. in physical sciences with an emphasis in astrophysics from the University of Houston's Clear Lake campus in 1969.

Alan Craig Holt, now 64, grew up in Algona, Iowa, north of Des Moines and remembers reading all the science fiction books in the local library and being fascinated with space-related books and programs on television. “I grew up convinced that we could develop some transport capability based on manipulation of gravitational fields,” he told me. That conviction fueled his goal to work in aerospace and study propulsion systems.

In 1983, using his own time and money, Alan Holt started Holt Research and Development Co. after many conversations with Edward Leverne Moragne about the Reagan administration's Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI) and Dr. Moragne's ideas about faster-than-light propulsion. In fact, Alan Holt remembers Dr. Moragne encouraged Alan to write the letter to President Reagan for research money and contributed the last paragraph about how some seed money emerged for physicists J. Robert Oppenheimer, Albert Einstein and Edward Moragne during the Franklin Roosevelt administration.

This week I contacted Alan Holt to discuss his recollections about the 1983 letter and his collaboration with Dr. Edward Leverne Moragne.

. . .

Interview:

Alan C. Holt, Aerospace Engineer, Houston, Texas: “I was definitely a supporter of the Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI). I felt that it had a good opportunity to develop technologies that could be very helpful to the U. S. space program. My letter was written in the context of that particular SDI effort because that’s where the money was going at that point.

WHAT WAS YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH EDWARD LEVERNE MORAGNE AT THAT TIME, WHO IS COPIED ON YOUR LETTER TO PRESIDENT RONALD REAGAN?

I had a friend in Houston who knew of Dr. Moragne and thought, based on my research interests, that I should talk to him. So I contacted Dr. Moragne on a personal basis and met with him. He had fascinating things to share and was interested in my research, so a friendship developed.

. . .

THE PATENT?

[ See: U. S. Patents, Electromagnetic Separator Click on partial Page 3 to see entire patent with illustrations.]
. . .

I don’t remember that description. He shared a lot of different things with me. It’s possible he could have mentioned that one, but I think not because I would have asked him more about all that. I did know he had interest in UFOs and advanced technologies, and we could talk about a lot of things openly in that regard. But my focus was on the physics research I was doing.
DID HE EVER BRING UP NON-HUMAN EXTRATERRESTRIAL CRAFT TECHNOLOGIES AND/OR ENTITIES?
That’s something I don’t want to comment on.
BECAUSE?
There were a lot of things that Ed Moragne shared with me that I thought, if true, were very sensitive. Almost all the conversations we had and the information he shared with me I considered it to be sensitive. None of it I could personally confirm, but nevertheless, I felt what he was sharing was privileged information and I treated it that way.
SPECIFICALLY ABOUT EXTRATERRESTRIAL BIOLOGICAL ENTITIES AND THEIR TECHNOLOGIES?
The reason I was talking with him was about advanced technologies that had been demonstrated by what I presumed to be extraterrestrial vehicles, but I really wanted to concentrate on the physics research and experiments he had done.
WHEN YOU COPIED YOUR LETTER TO PRESIDENT RONALD REAGAN ON MARCH 27, 1983, YOU COPIED YOUR LETTER TO EDWARD LEVERNE MORAGNE. DID YOU COPY IT TO HIM BECAUSE HE HAD MADE PROPOSALS TO YOU ABOUT WHAT HE THOUGHT COULD BE DONE WITH ADVANCED PROPULSION SYSTEMS?
I think he was supporting the research that I was interested in pursuing. He had conducted personal research that was significant in its own right and he saw the potential value of the path I was pursuing.
ARE YOU REFERRING TO HIS STATEMENT WHEN I WAS INTERVIEWING HIM BACK IN 1997 WHEN HE SAID HE WANTED TO DEVELOP A SYSTEM THAT WOULD BE 30 TO 60 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT?
The field resonance system work I was pursuing was basically a system that would bypass space and time and might effectively exceed the speed of light by at least Dr. Moragne's numbers - to some degree near instantaneous transport.
DO YOU MEAN USING FIELD RESONANCE EFFECTS TO ALTER ATOMIC STRUCTURE, WHICH IS WHAT DR. MORAGNE SAID TO ME HE WAS PLANNING ON DOING IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE 30 TO 60 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT.
He had different methods than mine that might achieve the same result.
. . .
We Are Not Alone in the Universe
FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE IN A CAREER HAVING TO DO WITH ADVANCED PROPULSION TECHNOLOGIES, WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT THE FUTURE HOLDS FOR A REVELATION THAT EARTH HUMANS ARE NOT ALONE IN THE UNIVERSE, THAT THERE ARE OTHER INTELLIGENCES THAT CAN PERHAPS BEND SPACE/TIME AND MOVE IN TIME LINES?
I think that’s almost a certainty. I expect that fact to eventually be part of our understanding of the universe and how it works.
DO YOU THINK IT WILL BE REVEALED IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS?
I don’t know. This might be something that happens in bits and pieces over a long time. Then some day, we wake up and the general discussion is that we knew all the time they were there. That’s not so strange. Or something more dramatic will happen. Every president that comes into office you hear rumors that the E. T.s will be revealed, but it never happens.
WHY DO YOU THINK IT NEVER HAPPENS?
I think it’s a very difficult subject. My personal opinion is that we’re not dealing with just visitors from another star system. We’re dealing with visitors that can travel through types of hyperspace. There might be beings that come from parallel realities and react with us in ways that we are not aware of. So, it’s not just the fact that we’re being visited, but the fact that there is a whole, vast multi-verse that we are not familiar with and a lot of people would have difficulty adjusting to.
BUT YOU HAVE NO DOUBT THAT WE ARE NOT ALONE IN THIS UNIVERSE?
I have no doubt.
MEANING EXTRATERRESTRIALS?
Other beings as well as physics of other dimensions, consciousness and hyperspace travel. I think the universe is much stranger than we can possibly imagine.”
. . .
END PART 5

INTERESTING.

THX.

I guess they’d have to go through Calvin’s transmorgefier to get reduced sufficiently in size to fit inside a head! LOL.

Thank you both for sharing your insights and concerns, dear brothers in Christ!

VERY PLAUSIBLE CONJECTURES!

THX.

I think it’s funny that some people do not believe the Vatican on anything but E.T’s.

Many people were converted to the Christian Faith because of Fatima.

Maybe.

For someone to attribute Fatima to the work of satan is NO different than the Pharisees attributing Christ;s miracles to the work of satan.

Yes, it is different. There's a world of difference.

Jesus is God Himself, come in the flesh. He made no secret of that. For someone to claim (or accuse) Him of being filled with Satan and doing His works through the demonic power is blasphemy and calling Him a liar.

To question an apparition that is supposedly of Mary, is not the same as saying that Jesus was doing His works by Satan's power. Mary is not God and there's not even any real proof that what people saw WAS her. If Satan can appear as an angel of light to deceive, then it has to be considered that any visions or apparitions are suspect which is a far cry from accusing the living, breathing,Son of God of being demon possessed.

All GOOD things come from Christ! what part of that do you NOT understand?

Satan can counterfeit miracles. What don't you get about that? Matthew 7:21-23 21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

PART 6

FROM:

http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1661&category=Real+X-Files

Part 6: Highly Strange X-File of Edward Leverne Moragne, Ph.D.

“That E.T. told me we humans don't really understand death -
that we (soul/spirit) keep going, going, going.”
- Edward L. Moragne, Ph.D., Physicist

. . .

Howe May 8, 1997, Interview with Edward Leverne Moragne, Ph.D.: “I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU THINK AN EXTRATERRESTRIAL INTELLIGENCE CROSSED YOUR PATH IN THE FORM OF A HUMAN-LOOKING MAN WHO SPENT SOME TIME TALKING TO YOU ABOUT ANOTHER WORLD IN WHICH THE CIVILIZATION LIVES INSIDE THE PLANET?

Yes, he called himself Scotty Moore, looked sort of like a regular guy, but told me the human body was being used as camouflage. He talked to me about a lot of things. That E.T. told me we humans don't really understand death - that we (soul/spirit) keep going, going, going.

CHANGING FORM AT THE MOMENT OF DEATH?

That's right, into another energy form.

DID HE SAY ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT DEATH HERE?

He said you can't take matter stuff with you and when you get to where you're going next, you're not going to want Earth stuff anyway.

. . .

DO YOU KNOW IF ANY U. S. ASTRONAUTS SAW DISCS OR UFO CRAFT ON THE MOON?

I know astronauts have seen UFOs, but they don't want to talk about that because people will say they are kooks.

WHAT HAS BEEN DESCRIBED TO YOU?

Huge circular craft, but they aren't going to talk about it.

WHY IS THE UFO/E.T. TRUTH SO SUPPRESSED. WHY SHOULDN'T EVERYONE KNOW ABOUT IT?

All you do is get up a hot steam in Washington when you try to discuss it.

BUT WHY?

I don't know, but it's been that way ever since I was first connected with it from that big craft and those bodies on the ground in Nevada.

DOESN'T THE WHOLE HUMAN FAMILY DESERVE A PUBLIC PRESENTATION OF A BEING FROM ANOTHER PART OF THE UNIVERSE THAT HAD TECHNOLOGY TO REACH EARTH?

Well, that's good, but at the same time, even if that being told you about everything his home planet, no one here would know more than when he started.

BECAUSE?

For instance, I can tell you things that you never dreamed of or heard of. For example, about two-thirds of the light scale is black. In that black area, you've got several million types of light.

. . .

WHO SAID NOT TO CUT THE HUMANOIDS OPEN?

It was a Lt. General who said, ‘There won't be any cutting on these people at all!’The doctor had asked to make a very small cut to see what the humanoid blood looked like. The General said,
‘Make that cut damn small!’ And before the doctor had sewed his small cut up, it had already healed up. You couldn't even see a scar!

. . .

WHERE ARE THOSE HUMANOIDS TODAY AND WHAT CONDITION ARE THEY IN?

What I've heard is they are in the same condition when I first saw them back in 1964 - no decay, no nothing. I guess the bodies are still laying there somewhere, maybe near the big craft, but I don't know. The assumption is that when their leader, whoever or whatever that is, decides to get them - well, who knows? Maybe their leader has decided they don't want those humanoids anymore.

WERE GOVERNMENT AUTHORITIES WORRIED ABOUT WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN IF ANY DAMAGE OCCURRED TO THE HUMANOIDS?

Our authorities did not want whoever made and owned the humanoids to come to Earth and find the bodies butchered or anything. We didn't want to offend space travelers! I think everyone thought back then that the leader of wherever the humanoids came from would come and take the bodies back. I don't know why that hasn't happened - at least not yet, as far as I know.”

. . .

end part 6