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Part 2: Highly Strange X-File of Edward Leverne Moragne, Ph.D.
© 2009 by Linda Moulton Howe
“The Edwards AFB people said that there were little slits up there
in a narrow rise only about 8 or 10 inches high atop the disc. It was through
the slits they could shine lights and saw three humanoids sitting inside
at what looked like an operating console.” - Edward L. Moragne, Ph.D., Physicist
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December 29, 2009 Albuquerque, New Mexico - Continuation of Linda Moulton Howe's May 8, 1997, interview with Edward Leverne Moragne, Ph.D., at his Houston, Texas, home:
Howe May 8, 1997, Interview with Edward Leverne Moragne, Ph.D.: “DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT THE BOTTOM OF THE BIG DISC CRAFT LOOKED LIKE THAT CAME DOWN IN THE NEVADA DESERT IN 1964?
It was a big oval on the bottom and on the top.
WHAT THE SURFACE LIKE?
Bright silver-colored metal, looked sort of like bright stainless steel.
THAT SOUNDS SOLID. HOW DID THE MILITARY AND SCIENTISTS LOOK INTO THE TOP PART AND SEE THREE MORE HUMANOID BODIES AS YOU DESCRIBED?
The Edwards AFB people said that there were little slits up there in a narrow rise only about 8 or 10 inches high atop the disc. It was through the slits they could shine lights and saw three humanoids sitting inside at what looked like an operating console.
LIKE THE HUMANOIDS WERE IN SUSPENDED ANIMATION? OR WERE THEY MOVING?
They were just sitting there, so they would have to have been in suspended animation like the other ones that laid down in the desert, I guess. Everyone had a hard time with that concept because no one thought that could be done to a human being. We've got to feed all our tissues or they will die. What was feeding those beings inside the top of the disc and those that laid down on the ground?
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DID THE HUMANOIDS BREATHE?
No, they didn't breathe at all.
HEART BEAT?
No heart beat.
YET, THOSE BEINGS COULD GET UP AND MOVE?
I think they were robots, controlled by some distant planet or spacecraft or something, because those bodies in suspended animation could be brought back to life in an instant and probably put the big disc right back into service. I don't know why that didn't happen.
WHY DO YOU THINK THEY ARRIVED AND WENT INTO SUSPENDED ANIMATION?
None of the people I knew at Edwards AFB found out. I think they are still trying to find out. The last grilling I took with the space agency was that the space agency set up a department to investigate spacecraft and things like flying saucers.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT NASA?
Yes.
DID DAVIS AND DAVID WORK FOR NASA?
I never did find out who exactly they worked for because I was introduced to a lot of professors and doctors from universities all over the United States trying to study the disc and the humanoids.
WHEN YOU WERE CALLED IN FROM CHICAGO TO SEE THE BODIES AND SPACECRAFT, WHAT DID THE AUTHORITIES WANT YOU TO DO?
They put it to me this way: ‘Were those bodies burned?’ I said, ‘No.’
‘Was there any nuclear radiation around the craft that would hurt military or scientists who walked around it?’
I got two scintillators that I had designed and built myself to test for radiation. And we could not find any form of radiation there whatsoever.
WHAT ELSE DID THE AUTHORITIES WANT YOU TO DO?
They wanted me to look at the craft and see if I could determine what was causing it to travel at the immense speed it had traveled and how could it turn on a 90-degree angle at those very high speeds.
SO THE MILITARY HAD TRACKED THE CRAFT ON RADAR?
Well, they had some radar images that showed craft doing such maneuvers, but not the specific disc that came down in the Nevada desert that the humanoids came out of and laid down on the ground.
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DID ANYBODY TELL YOU THAT THE U. S. HAS OTHER NON-HUMAN BODIES AND CRAFT THAT LOOK DIFFERENT THAN THE DISC AND ITS HUMANOIDS THAT YOU SAW?
Yeah, I heard that, but I haven't seen other craft and bodies. I do remember them talking about other alien beings that had Chinese-looking eyes, slanted, and had no ears, no holes for a nose and not much of a mouth. I wondered if those robots laying there might not even need the mouths they had! I don't know. Maybe cosmetic camouflage?
LET'S GO BACK TO 1964 WHEN YOU WERE IN THE NEVADA DESERT FIRST. WHAT HAPPENED?
Well, I was told the disc was going to be moved to Edwards AFB for further research. But then everyone realized it would not fit in the hangars there, which were not large enough to fit around the big disc.
HOW LARGE WAS THE CRAFT?
The disc was about twice the width of our biggest bombers at the time - at least as long as a football field (100 yards or some 300 feet). So, I was told the disc would be taken to Air Force 5 in southern Nevada and as soon as it was there, they would send for me and I could really test it. I figured I would have a free hand. But when I went down there, I was told, ‘No, don't touch that. Don't do this. Don't do that.’
I said, ‘You told me to come down here and check the thing out. So, why don't you let me do that?’
The military guy said, ‘There are certain things we've already checked and there's no use your looking at them.’
I said, ‘If you already knew, what the hell am I doing down here?’
‘Well, the thing is that maybe you can discover something we haven't discovered.’
‘How can I do that if I can't be free to explore and investigate? I would like to look in that window that the scientists looked in and saw those three guys sitting in there. I'd like to see what the instrumentation looks like.’ But for some unknown reason, he wouldn't let me do that. He said it was not necessary and I was not going to beg them to do anything. In fact, I became anxious to get out of there.
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They said they saw a lot of instruments that had knobs on them, but I don't remember about hand prints. They did say that if it were possible to open that craft up ever again and/or those humanoids in there came out or the three on the ground went back in - then the scientists figured those humanoids would take off and that would be the end of that.
There was another odd hypothesis - those scientists figured that when those humanoids came down into the Nevada desert, they brought down some transparent individuals with them who are out seeing Earth to find out what's going on here. But we can't see the explorers who control the humanoid robots tending the disc! Those men had more phenomenal theories than anyone in my life!
YOU MEAN GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF TRANSPARENT BEINGS MOVING AROUND ON OUR PLANET?
Yes. That was a conversation with an Army military intelligence doctor named Graham. He was a real regular fellow, very nice. He did not wear a uniform. He was one of the top men in that military intelligence unit.
DID GRAHAM TELL YOU ABOUT ANY OTHER BEINGS AND CRAFT HE HAD SEEN?
No, but he said he had gone to 40/11 sites.
WHAT DOES 40/11 MEAN?
It means sites where spacecraft had landed. I don't know how many. Graham said that out of all of them, he had seen where some had scraped the ground. And two or three others you could see where the craft hit the ground. So, the big disc in the Nevada desert was one of the only ones he had seen that appeared to have actually landed.
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Then he said, ‘They set me in a room and put my wife in another compartment. I could see her sitting right there! And those ‘people’ put all kinds of electrodes on our heads, backs and stomachs and we were there for about two minutes. Then they took the electrodes off and put us back in our car and we were driving on our way again.’
YOU HEARD THIS AT EDWARDS AFB?
Right. Those people in Pueblo reported what happened to someone in the government. Then the government turned around and told them they were lying. I don't know.
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WHAT DID THE CRAFT'S SURFACE FEEL LIKE?
Like smooth stainless steel, but it wasn't. Any time you take a carbon torch and hit a piece of stainless steel, you've got a mass of molten metal there. But we hit that surface with not only a carbon torch, we put carbon-hydrogen arcs on that thing for hours upon hours and that disc surface never even got red hot!
DID YOU EVER LEARN WHAT COULD BE SO RESISTANT?
No, that's why the authorities wanted a piece of the craft cut off so they could analyze it.
BUT HOW COULD ANYTHING BE CUT OFF FROM METAL THAT CARBON ARCS CAN'T CUT?
Well, I don't know, but that's why we were trying to cut it. We knew we could not use saws. I watched one saw just sit there running on the disc's surface like you were polishing with the blades! And we used a diamond saw that never showed a scratch. The military tried to use the latest things they could think of to get into that disc.”
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Part 3: Highly Strange X-File of Edward Leverne Moragne, Ph.D.
© 2009 by Linda Moulton Howe
“We discovered the humanoids had electronic units in their heads
that resembled klystron tubes.” - Edward L. Moragne, Ph.D., Physicist
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WHAT DID THE SCIENTISTS, DAVID AND DAVIS, TELL YOU THEY LEARNED?
It's not like metal as we know metal. It could be another type of material altogether.
DID THOSE TWO MEN AGREE IT WAS AN EXTRATERRESTRIAL CRAFT AND THOSE WERE EXTRATERRESTRIAL HUMANOIDS IN IT AND ON THE GROUND?
They'd have to be from outer space somewhere. I got a report from someone in our government on robotics written by a very brilliant Chinese scientist. He worked for NASA.
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SO, THAT'S WHAT YOU, YOUR SCIENCE COLLEAGUES AND THE MILITARY WERE WORRIED ABOUT - THAT THE HUMANOIDS WERE ROBOTS UNDER THE CONTROL OF YET SOME OTHER INTELLIGENCE?
Yes. They definitely weren't like people. They had to be robots, or androids. [ Robots are mechanical and controlled by outside programming; androids are biological and controlled by outside programming.]
YOU SAY THAT BECAUSE THE HUMANOIDS HAD NO BLOOD VESSELS, NO HEART BEAT AND NO BREATHING?
We discovered the humanoids had electronic units in their heads that resembled klystron tubes.
HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT?
We x-rayed them. The U. S. authorities took the x-rays and I was told the power that had to be put into the x-ray energy would kill a man in a few seconds. But they got pictures and those things looked like klystron tubes in those heads.
[ Editor's Note: A klystron tube is used to produce microwave energy. In this application, it works in a similar manner to a pipe organ tube, except that the klystron tube uses electrons, while the pipe organ tube uses air. When the air in the organ tube vibrates, the pipe organ tube emits sound energy of a specific frequency that we hear as a single note. When the electrons in the klystron tube vibrate, the klystron tube emits high frequency microwave energy that can be detected by a radar receiver. Klystron amplifiers have the advantage (over the magnetron) of coherently amplifying a reference signal so its output may be precisely controlled in amplitude, frequency and phase. Many klystrons have a waveguide for coupling microwave energy into and out of the device, although it is also quite common for lower power and lower frequency klystrons to use coaxial couplings instead. Klystron combines a Greek verb referring to the action of waves breaking against a shore with the end of the word electron.]
The wiring diagrams looked like they were similar because all the components were similar.
YOU SAW THE X-RAYS YOURSELF?
Yes. Dr. Graham, head of that military intelligence unit, showed them to me. He told me, 'I can't figure any of that stuff out.'
I said, 'Well, in high frequency techniques, we use the klystron tube to send signals out on radar. And they are bounced back and picked up on a Fermi tube. I could give you your picture so it comes back. Then you have to condense it down into whatever form you want.'
Dr. Moragne explained that he could make the radar machines show a real picture or just a 'bug,' like the white dots on radar today. Otherwise, we had a screen marked off in miles and if this thing is over here in a 50-mile-zone, they look at it and say it is so many degrees north of here or there and you can see the outline of a ship on there.
HAVE YOU EVER SEEN DISKS OR OTHER TYPES OF NON-HUMAN CRAFT MOVING ON RADAR?
No, but they showed me videos they had taken, on like what we would call today a camcorder-type device. The government was videotaping in 1964, when the rest of the world didn't know it.
WHAT DID YOU SEE IN THE X-RAYS DR. GRAHAM SHOWED YOU?
I saw a bunch of electronic parts. I could not tell you what they did because we had no wiring diagram to go by and the x-ray didn't even show the path of whatever wires were there. It just showed components.
WHAT KIND OF COMPONENTS?
They looked like tubes to me - they might have been metal. They could not have been glass because they wouldn't have showed up in the x-ray. But from the connectors on top of the tubes and on the two sides and the bottom, they looked like klystron tubes to me.
YOU USED A KLYSTRON TUBE IN RADAR BACK THEN TO DO WHAT?
To put out a beam that was a microwave and it would wave out and come back in.
WHAT RECEIVED BACK THE MICROWAVE BEAM?
The Fermi tube.
IF THE HUMANOIDS HAD KLYSTRON TUBES IN THEIR HEADS, DOES THAT SUGGEST THEY WERE SENDING OUT RADAR SIGNALS?
They were sending a lot of information out of their heads. They could send out 10 million signals at one time with as many tubes as they had in their heads. With only one tube, you can send out several million signals - with each jolt of electricity. For instance, the authorities found that those klystron tubes were so fast and could handle so many signals at one time, that you could feed a bunch of mathematical formulas in there and punch the button and get answers. They really speeded up computation.
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When I told them back in 1964 that the x-rays showed klystron tubes in those heads, the authorities asked me why I would say that. I told them the connections looked like they were wired up that way with eight connection points for wires. So I knew those tubes were getting signals from something and sending signals back to somewhere.
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I have 319 patents. Some relate to weapons systems and some not. But you can't get copies of them now because they are classified.
ARE THE WEAPON SYSTEMS TO BE USED ON HUMANS OR SOMETHING IN OUTER SPACE?
I can't tell you about that either, but some of them could be used in outer space.”
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END PART 3