Where's the decoder that will automatically translate fine biblical words into distorted Mormonese?

Here, put this in your hat. worked for old Joey.

Perhaps you can look up Colofornian's posting history & tell me how often she posts threads about anything but bashing "Mormons". It's easy to do. At the home page, go to the upper right hand corner & type her name in the search & then select "user" from the drop down. This is a conservative & political board & yet I'm not sure I can find any posts from her that doesn't have to do w/ Mormons. Perhaps, but I doubt it. She's one of many examples, but she's a good one.

Do you always misrepresent like this, Reno?

I did exactly as you instructed: First page that popped up was this thread (a Non-Mormon thread)...My posts #55, 379, 544, 558, 578, and 605 were not about Mormonism -- and I don't believe the people I posted to were Mormons.

Then scroll down: Double-digits posting on a thread about Tibet & Buddhism from a July 6 thread.

This is a conservative & political board...

If you want my political comments from June, find a few Sharron Angle threads and look there...I commented extensively in one of them. Or just pull up the very recent Boston Globe article about Mitt Romney. (Romney still qualifies as "political" in your book doesn't he?) And if you don't like the host having a "religion" section, perhaps you can try to do to it what Smith did to the Nauvoo Expositor...'cause I see you've embraced that "root out" spirit of Smith.

Now, let's talk about another form of deception.

Mormonism? Or just your posts? Again, you give us a fresh example:

"Many of you mormons hide behind CAUCUS designations, you won’t engage in OPEN forums and claim a 1001 reasons why you won’t, but won’t give 1 reason why you should." [Szonian]

Your response: I don't believe you'll find ONE POST OR THREAD that was a caucus thread from me.

Hmmm...Less than a week ago -- in fact almost 6 days to the hour...you wrote: "Good posts Rip & Jeff. Could there be a more important time in our history to understand these words?" [post #10, July 1, 2010, http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2544884/posts on Ripliancum thread The Constitution--A Glorious Standard (LDS Caucus)] So, Reno, you've just shown the world you not only misrepresent my posting history --I didn't have to go past my own first page to find 16 posts to prove you wrong; you’ve misrepresented your own -- I didn't have to go even a week of your posting history to prove you wrong.

[Perhaps an Inman could post a "double face palm" graphic to match our reaction to your deceptive boldness]

Face it, Reno. Between this and your volley exchange with Godzilla as your last previous entry before you commented on that caucus thread on July 1, you've embarrassed yourself. You openly and repeatedly misrepresented things to Godzilla in that April thread ...you've shot your own credibility in the foot.

You finally, after Godzilla repeatedly held your foot to the fire, you finally owned up to Godzilla's claim:

Well Godzilla, huge apologies are in store. With my hectic schedule I made the stupid mistake of hastily putting forth a response based on a resource I took as being the JOD, but in fact was a compilation of snipets. Bad mistake on my part & I sincerely apologize for erroneously impugning your post.I have stayed away from these threads largely due a lack of time. I should have done likewise w/ this one. My bad. I haven’t had time to properly research your response, but mine was inappropriate given the circumstances. Our track record led me to respond when I shouldn’t have. Again sincere apologies. Perhaps we can go at it again some day time permitting. I’m currently putting in 14-16 hour days on two new ventures. Multi tasking is not my strong suit. Best wishes for a great week." (Post #199, April 22, 2010 Url: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2497231/posts)

but rather forming a bulwark against the onslaught of the spirit of anti-Christ, protecting the vulnerable "young" Christians.

Our disunity is telling. The young see it. We have no common message, no coordinated effort. It's killing our testimony with them, and it drains the power & resources that would come from a combined effort.

John 17:23 I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that You sent Me, and loved them, even as You have loved Me.

More partial quotes that don’t tell the whole story from these guys? Imagine that. They often ask for examples of where they misrepresent. The last couple of days have provided a bevy of such examples. Most of these guys are actually pretty bright folks and I believe good people. It’s a shame they feel the need to resort to these kinds of tactics, rather than a civil, reasoned discussion that would benefit all. The ends must justify the means, regardless of what the means entail. Sad really

Well, based upon posts #782 & #783, from what perch do thee speak?

So I must amend my previous statement about "lying for the Lord." Except for a speech by Elder Oaks in which he denounces the notion of "lying for the Lord," I have never known Latter-day Saints to use the phrase, much less recommend the practice.

The simple fact that HE associates it with past practices - specifically polygamy - AND relates to it as an ONGOING PRACTICE speaks volumes in itself. He acknowledges it was an accepted practice.

Yes, he SAYS it is not permissible - yet the teaching and practice is NOT to tell the whole truth about things - milk before meat - isn't it logos.

One item stands out from Oak's talk

! Lying is sinful, as it has always been, and there is no exempt category for so-called “lying for the Lord.” Lying is simply outside the range of permitted or condoned conduct by Latter-day Saints—members or leaders.

Yet this WAS the conduct condoned by smith in regards to polygamy wasn't it. Smith and his inner circle lied about practicing it, the mormon church officially condemned the practice of polygamy during the very time Joseph practiced it.

I am glad you do not recommend the practice - are you going then commit to telling the whole truth or just the milk to avoid embarrassing doctrines of the mormon church

So, you consider reference to the arguments I advance as somehow about me? I call it taking responsibility — a thing with which your side may be unfamiliar, given, as they are, to justifying vicious, spiteful, abusive, and perseverative insult and slander by appealing to some purported divine call to promulgate division?

You consider my retort to the virtually unceasing slander that we do not read Scripture or give it its proper place somehow offensive? That is, in your view it is perfectly appropriate for anti-Catholics to say that we place tradition above Scripture but NOT appropriate for us to reply that it is not so, but on the contrary we, in our opinion, read scripture ,well, all the ways I said. Is it your contention and your criticism of me based on the idea that it’s okay to attack us, but it is not okay for us to counter attack?

You made, or attempted to make, a point criticizing YOUR (mis)understanding of my point. When I respond, you take the sententiousness up a notch, call me, “winney” and accuse ME of being too focussed on myself while you attempt to justify your side’s defense of incivility on the grounds that, despite ample Scriptural evidence suggesting that Paul would repudiate their approach, they persistently claim the same threadbare Scriptural justification.

Actually, I despise this kind of rhetoric. But when I am castigated for being self-absorbed for expressing my opinion of the arguments of those who have no hesitation about expressing their disagreement with me in the most offensive terms, sometimes it seems right to hold up the mirror for a bit.

I logged on just now, with the intention of apologizing for being cantankerous and ill-tempered. But I see that, once again, having the gumption to respond to the argments of anti-Catholics with arguments of my own is held against me, as though my duty were to bow to the abuse and to take my beating. So I guess I’m glad your post preceded my apology.

But I still think I was bad tempered and I still think I was wrong to be so.

(Post #199, April 22, 2010 Url: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2497231/posts)

I hadn't had a laugh that good in a long time. :)

It goes both ways Reno and I won't engage others in this conversation unless they are mentioned (only pinged as a courtesy) as they have no obligation to respond in kind.

First, you ascribed behaviors to any and all who would discuss mormonism. If you note, I used several disclaimer words so as to not ascribe those behaviors to each and everyone. I was talking about the behaviors demonstrated towards ex-mo's and apostates by quite a few posters, since you wanted to bring up how the TBM's were being treated, I only thought it appropriate to show the opposite side of the coin. Here is your comment to which I was responding…

” I guess what I find most interesting w/ these folks is their insatiable desire to rip the church on a daily basis. They claim to be “Christians” yet spend virtually all their time ripping the church instead of “witnessing” what they believe. Their threads are for the express purpose of tearing down rather than building up based on what they believe.”

Yet, when I offered my point of on the matter…” Yet, I note that when I or another apostate witness what we believe, we are ignored or treated as if we are a petulant child (check your prophets and apostles comments from GC for references) for leaving mormonism.

Sorry Reno, your feeble attempt to explain away my behavior or that of some of the other “anti’s” as “spending virtually all of our time ripping the church...” in your post doesn’t wash.” note the use of the word “my” and "other" in my comment, here is what you’re reply is…

” Perhaps you can look up Colofornian's posting history & tell me how often she posts threads about anything but bashing "Mormons". It's easy to do. At the home page, go to the upper right hand corner & type her name in the search & then select "user" from the drop down. This is a conservative & political board & yet I'm not sure I can find any posts from her that doesn't have to do w/ Mormons. Perhaps, but I doubt it. She's one of many examples, but she's a good one.”

You didn’t address my comments directly, you chose to use Colofornian as an example instead of directly addressing me or my comments, dismissing my point of view on the matter. Are we talking about Colo or us? Why is what Colo posts any of concern of mine? I have no control over what Colo posts. Address your concerns with Colo.

”Now, let's talk about another form of deception.”

Really? Deception? It couldn’t be a simple mistake? It’s all about “lying, misrepresentation, deception, et al”? A few mormons will post (drive by) accusing the posters of doing exactly what you’re stating, yet offer no evidence or when challenged to demonstrate the “deception” will/can not. There are quite a few examples of that. Wouldn’t that be “deception” as well? I didn’t use an absolute, a simple correction or your explanation given towards the end of your recent post would have been in order. No intentional “deception” was intended, maybe a failure to adequately impart meaning.

"Many of you mormons...". I did not state you specifically or ALL, “many”. I based my comment on observations and so used an ambiguous term to avoid painting each and everyone with the attribute. You could have easily said "Not me!" and that would have been the end of that. But the dig just had to be made. Hinting that I'm purposefully lying.

If I was going to behave like you inferred, I would have gone trolling through yours and every other relevant poster’s history to look for stuff to use. I don’t do that nor do I have the time for it.

I’ll ask if not addressing the following was either a dismissal of the subject material or an oversight…

” Any disagreement about mormon doctrine is construed as an attack, as hateful, spiteful, bigoted, etc., etc., ad nauseum. Even the posters get pasted with those labels, yet none of you step in to question the comments of either mormons or your “defenders”. You allow it. Look in the mirror the next time you decide to pontificate about the actions and behaviors of others. Not taking action against abhorrent behavior is the same as being guilty of it.”

And the demeaning tone of your comments is noted, I am, after all, just a lowly apostate.

As for the offer to "save me from embarrassment", thanks, but I'm man enough to admit my mistakes, you can ask a few or do as you suggested, and troll through my posting history to see for yourself.

I'm human, I make mistakes, if folks want to use them as an attempt to humiliate me or demean me, that's on them. Nothing I can do about that.

Point out my errors and I'll either admit to them or correct them to their proper context. No embarrassment involved. Responsibility for one's comments is all.

bit part INDEED!

(Look for me as the thrid tree, past the big boulder on the right...)

bit part INDEED!

(Look for me as the third tree, past the big boulder on the right...)

‘Raise up a child in the way that they should go, and when they are old they will not depart from it’ ... absentee parenting has taken an horrific toll in the spiritual realm, for which we will answer, some where/when. Perhaps the curse of Obama is part of our reaping, and his criminal enterprise commies destroying America right before our collective feckless eyes ...

Sorry, courtesy ping.

Yeah, sure—as long as you eat some bacon for me.

Sorry...

I got to Bob's after 11, so I had brunch: Wildfire Chicken Salad - savor size.

We were given a means to defeat the Evil One at the cross, but he is not gone from our midst and wants nothing more than to separate us from God come that judgement. He does this both through day in and day out temptations and roadblocks, as well as sponsoring numerous other “paths” that lead away from God.

Satan will not be gone from us until he is cast into the lake of fire as told to us in the Revelation, 20:10, until that time he is still a danger that must be opposed at every turn, for while he cannot defeat God, he can lead our fellow man away from him, and each soul he gets is a loss.

That he continues to feed on our weaknesses in order to continue his work is of little surprise.

To God be the glory, not man, never man!

Praise to the Man!

Praise to the man who communed with Jehovah!
Jesus annointed that Prophet and Seer.
Blessed to open the last dispensation,
Kings shall extol him, and nations revere.

Chorus
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.

Praise to his mem'ry, he died as a martyr;
Honored and blest be his ever great name!
Long shall his blood, which was shed by assasins,
Plead unto heav'n while the earth lauds his fame.

Chorus
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.

Great is his glory and endless his priesthood.
Ever and ever the keys he will hold.
Faithful and true he will enter his kingdom,
Crowned in the midst of the prophets of old.

Chorus
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.

Sacrifice brings forth the blessings of heaven;
Earth must atone for the blood of that man.
Wake up the world for the conflict of justice.
Millions shall know 'Brother Joseph' again.

Chorus
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.

Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!

Truly there is great disunity in the never-ending theological debates among Christians.

However, I perceive great unity among Christians in the debate against atheism/agnosticism, i.e. the common enemy which is the spirit of anti-Christ.

Also, I'm leery of attempts to repair many of the doctrinal disagreements among Christians mostly because too much is lost in the interest of compromise.

Moreover, the United Nations shares the same goal of unity across all world religions. But Christianity cannot be united with Islam, etc.

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? - 2 Cor 6:14

We cannot compromise on Who God IS.

To God be the glory, not man, never man.

Where's the decoder that will automatically translate fine biblical words into distorted Mormonese?

Mormon words don't mean the same thing.

Anyone who tries to witness to a Mormon will soon find that the words they use do not always mean the same thing to Christians.

Below is a list of terms that are important for Christians to know when discussing the truth with Mormons.

It is important that you know what the Mormons mean by the same words used by Christians.

ADAM	LDS - Father of physical mankind. Adam is also known as Michael the archangel, the ancient of days, (D&C 116).	Bible - the first created man by whom all of humanity descends. He was not Michael the archangel.
ATONEMENT	LDS - The sacrifice of Christ that made resurrection possible along with the possibility of our earning forgiveness of sins.	Bible - The substitutionary sacrifice of Jesus on our behalf. He died for our sins (1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 2:2).
AARONIC PRIESTHOOD	LDS - A lesser priesthood in the LDS church. It is still used in LDS church practices and is held by the very young, (D&C 107:1, 6, 10).	Bible - A priesthood that is no longer necessary now that we have the full revelation of Christ.
BAPTISM	LDS - A necessary ordinance for salvation in the Mormon church. By it sins are washed away.	Bible - An ordinance of the Christian church that is not necessary for salvation (Rom. 5:1).
BIBLE	LDS - The Bible is correct only as far as it is correctly translated. It is basically trustworthy. It is the only one of the four standard works (Bible, Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and Pearl of Great Price) that is not considered infallible. The KJV is the official Bible of the LDS church.	Bible - the Bible is the inspired inerrant word of God (2 Tim. 3:16).
BISHOP	LDS - an office in the Melchizedek Priesthood of the LDS church. D&C 20:67),	Bible - An office held by a male member of the Church.
CELESTIAL HEAVEN	LDS - The highest of the three levels of heaven where faithful Mormons are exalted to Godhood.	Bible - There is no such thing as a celestial heaven.
CHURCH	LDS - The LDS church with its organizational structure, laws, and proper name.	Bible - The body of believers in the true and living God through Jesus. It is comprised of those who are redeemed and is not limited to an earthly structure.
DAMNATION	LDS - Basically, anything lesser than exaltation (becoming a God).	Bible - The state of condemnation, judged by God in eternal hell (Matt. 25:46).
DEVIL	LDS - See Satan.	Bible - See Satan.
ELOHIM	LDS - The name of God the Father.	Bible - The Hebrew word for "God." The name of God is "YHWH," which means "I AM," (Exodus 3:14).
ETERNAL LIFE	LDS - Exaltation (exaltation to a Mormon means obtaining Godhood) in the Celestial Kingdom.	Bible - Forgiveness of sins and life eternal with God (John 17:3; Rom. 6:23).
EXALTATION	LDS - The state of becoming a god in the celestial heaven.	Bible - There is no such thing as becoming a God in the Bible.
FALL OF MANKIND	LDS - A blessing (Mosiah 3: 11-16). A necessary step in the progression of humanity to the level of Godhood.	Bible - The open rebellion of Adam and Eve against God resulting in their condemnation and the fall of mankind.
GOD	LDS - One of countless gods in existence. An exalted man from another world who created the earth who's name is "Elohim." He became a god by following the laws and ordinances of his god on the other world. He has a body of flesh and bones. D&C 130: 22-23.	Bible - The one and only God in all the universe, (Isaiah 44:6,8).
GODHEAD	LDS - An office held by three separate Gods: the Father who is a god; Jesus who is a god; and the Holy Ghost who is a god.	Bible - God Himself, not an office. Three persons in one God. A Trinity: The Father; the Son; and the Holy Spirit.
GOSPEL	LDS - The laws and ordinances of the Mormon church.	Bible - The death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus for the forgiveness of the sins of all who would trust in Him (1 Cor. 15:1-4).
HEAVEN	LDS - Divided into three Kingdoms: Celestial, Terrestrial, and Telestial. The Celestial is for perfect Mormons, the Terrestrial is for moral people and lukewarm LDS, and the Telestial Kingdom is for everyone else.	Bible - The dwelling place of God (1 Kings 8:30). Christians go to heaven.
HELL	LDS - The temporary abode in the spirit world between death and resurrection for those awaiting telestial glory, (D&C 76: 84-85, 106). Hell will come to an end.	Bible - the eternal dwelling place of those who rejected the atoning work of Christ.
HOLY GHOST	LDS - "A spirit man. He can only be at one place at one time... " (Mormon Doctrine by Bruce McConkie, p. 359.) The Holy Ghost is contrasted with the Spirit of God, which is the influence of the Godhead that fills the immensity of space which enables God to know what is going on. It is likened to electricity." D&C 130: 22-23.	Bible - Third person of the Trinity. Same as Holy Spirit (Acts 5:3-4).
HOLY SPIRIT	LDS - The presence of God as distinguished from the Holy Ghost who is a god in the mormon trinity.	Bible - An equivalent term to Holy Ghost, third person in the Trinity.
JEHOVAH	LDS - The name of Jesus in the Old Testament.	Bible - The name of God is "YHWH," which means "I AM," (Exodus 3:14).
JESUS	LDS - Literal offspring of God the father. Spirit brother of Satan. A god in the Godhead. He is Jehovah of the O.T. compared to Elohim being the Father. He was the first spirit child to be born to the Father and Mother gods. Ordained as the Christ in the pre-existent Grand Council before coming to earth.	Bible - Jesus is God, second person of the Trinity (John 1:1,14; Col. 2:9).
KINGDOM OF GOD	LDS - Celestial heaven. The kingdom of God on earth is the LDS church.	Bible - All the believers of Christ (Matt. 13:41-43).
MARRIAGE	LDS - An eternal bonding of husband and wife that continues into the afterlife. These couples will continue to have children. (D&C 132:15-20).	Bible - the holy covenant between a man and a woman that is broken at death.
MELCHIZEDEK PRIESTHOOD	LDS - A greater priesthood in the LDS church held by elders, (D&C 107),	Bible - A priesthood held by Jesus alone.
PRE-EXISTENCE	LDS - We existed in heaven with God our (literal) Father and mother before we became human.	Bible - We did not exist before we came to earth (1 Cor. 15:46).
SALVATION	LDS - Two fold meaning: Simple bodily resurrection of all people. Also, forgiveness of sins.	Bible - Forgiveness of sins with the result of a present new life and in the future eternal life with God (1 Cor. 15:1-4; Rom. 6:23; 10:9-10).
SATAN	LDS - The opposer of God, literal son of God, brother of Jesus and all people begotten in the pre-existent spirit world.	Bible - A fallen angel who rebelled against God.
SCRIPTURE	LDS - Bible, Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, Pearl of Great Price.	Bible - Only the Bible is scripture.
TEMPLE	LDS - A present day temple used to practice the ordinances and ceremonies of the gospel of the LDS church on behalf of the living as well as the dead.	Bible - The Old Testament building where God dwelt, sacrifices were offered, and holy priestly rites were administered. There is no longer a need for temples.
TRINITY	LDS- Three gods: a god called the Father; a god called the son; a god called the Holy Ghost.	Bible - The one and only God in all existence who is comprised of three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. See Trinity.

Go to http://scriptures.lds.org/bd/contents for a list of Mormon words and definitions produced by the LDS church.

Lying is simply outside the range of permitted or condoned conduct by Latter-day Saints

Perhaps you can illuminate the ends of the range alluded to?

What of the Orthodox traditions?