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To: Reno232
It goes both ways Reno and I won't engage others in this conversation unless they are mentioned (only pinged as a courtesy) as they have no obligation to respond in kind.

First, you ascribed behaviors to any and all who would discuss mormonism. If you note, I used several disclaimer words so as to not ascribe those behaviors to each and everyone. I was talking about the behaviors demonstrated towards ex-mo's and apostates by quite a few posters, since you wanted to bring up how the TBM's were being treated, I only thought it appropriate to show the opposite side of the coin. Here is your comment to which I was responding…

” I guess what I find most interesting w/ these folks is their insatiable desire to rip the church on a daily basis. They claim to be “Christians” yet spend virtually all their time ripping the church instead of “witnessing” what they believe. Their threads are for the express purpose of tearing down rather than building up based on what they believe.”

Yet, when I offered my point of on the matter…” Yet, I note that when I or another apostate witness what we believe, we are ignored or treated as if we are a petulant child (check your prophets and apostles comments from GC for references) for leaving mormonism.

Sorry Reno, your feeble attempt to explain away my behavior or that of some of the other “anti’s” as “spending virtually all of our time ripping the church...” in your post doesn’t wash.” note the use of the word “my” and "other" in my comment, here is what you’re reply is…

” Perhaps you can look up Colofornian's posting history & tell me how often she posts threads about anything but bashing "Mormons". It's easy to do. At the home page, go to the upper right hand corner & type her name in the search & then select "user" from the drop down. This is a conservative & political board & yet I'm not sure I can find any posts from her that doesn't have to do w/ Mormons. Perhaps, but I doubt it. She's one of many examples, but she's a good one.”

You didn’t address my comments directly, you chose to use Colofornian as an example instead of directly addressing me or my comments, dismissing my point of view on the matter. Are we talking about Colo or us? Why is what Colo posts any of concern of mine? I have no control over what Colo posts. Address your concerns with Colo.

”Now, let's talk about another form of deception.”

Really? Deception? It couldn’t be a simple mistake? It’s all about “lying, misrepresentation, deception, et al”? A few mormons will post (drive by) accusing the posters of doing exactly what you’re stating, yet offer no evidence or when challenged to demonstrate the “deception” will/can not. There are quite a few examples of that. Wouldn’t that be “deception” as well? I didn’t use an absolute, a simple correction or your explanation given towards the end of your recent post would have been in order. No intentional “deception” was intended, maybe a failure to adequately impart meaning.

"Many of you mormons...". I did not state you specifically or ALL, “many”. I based my comment on observations and so used an ambiguous term to avoid painting each and everyone with the attribute. You could have easily said "Not me!" and that would have been the end of that. But the dig just had to be made. Hinting that I'm purposefully lying.

If I was going to behave like you inferred, I would have gone trolling through yours and every other relevant poster’s history to look for stuff to use. I don’t do that nor do I have the time for it.

I’ll ask if not addressing the following was either a dismissal of the subject material or an oversight…

” Any disagreement about mormon doctrine is construed as an attack, as hateful, spiteful, bigoted, etc., etc., ad nauseum. Even the posters get pasted with those labels, yet none of you step in to question the comments of either mormons or your “defenders”. You allow it. Look in the mirror the next time you decide to pontificate about the actions and behaviors of others. Not taking action against abhorrent behavior is the same as being guilty of it.”

And the demeaning tone of your comments is noted, I am, after all, just a lowly apostate.

As for the offer to "save me from embarrassment", thanks, but I'm man enough to admit my mistakes, you can ask a few or do as you suggested, and troll through my posting history to see for yourself.

I'm human, I make mistakes, if folks want to use them as an attempt to humiliate me or demean me, that's on them. Nothing I can do about that.

Point out my errors and I'll either admit to them or correct them to their proper context. No embarrassment involved. Responsibility for one's comments is all.

789 posted on 07/07/2010 11:32:04 AM PDT by SZonian (We began as a REPUBLIC, a nation of laws. We became a DEMOCRACY, majority rules. Next step is?)
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To: Colofornian

Sorry, courtesy ping.


793 posted on 07/07/2010 11:33:26 AM PDT by SZonian (We began as a REPUBLIC, a nation of laws. We became a DEMOCRACY, majority rules. Next step is?)
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To: SZonian
First of all, when did I use the words "any &/or all" to describe those that state differences w/ my beliefs? Through the years I have had great discussions w/ those not of my belief. They didn't use the tactics aforementioned & we had some wonderful & reasoned discussions. I don't know that opinions were necessarily changed, but we have had a good exchange of ideas.

Perhaps I was assuming you knew who my comments were directed to as you have been on some of those threads. They commonly refer to themselves as the flying Imams or inmans (curious, but it is what it is). So, in short, I was not referring to all who do not ascribe to the teachings of the LDS church & voice their opinions as those who rip the church on a regular & routine basis. They know who they are. You don't?

Finally, I don't have an ax to grind w/ you. If you state that your comments were misinterpreted by me, I can accept that, & I apologize if they were. If you state that you've made mistakes, that's only human & I can accept that as well, in fact, I think better of you for that. I've certainly made my fair share during my lifetime.

We can get a little edgy from time to time due to the constant misrepresentations bounded about here regularly as already seen & pointed out here. Sorry if that carried over to OUR discourse. That also is a big part of why I don't post as regularly as I used to. There are things that bring far more joy into my life than dealing w/ that stuff over, & over, & over ad naseum.

As to your apostate position, to each his own. Everyone has to make their own decisions in life. I don't begrudge those choices except when they sandblast me for the choices I've made religiously speaking. It's a free agency thing. It will always be until someone PROVES definitively that they have the truth. Otherwise, it's all simply opinion & personal experience.

I've had a witness from Father. I don't force anyone to believe or accept that. Again, free agency. I also don't post threads carpet bombing folks b/c they don't believe what I do. Including you! I pray for you, as I hope you do for me. Let the Lord sort out the rest.

As stated earlier, I've got to get back at it. Best wishes to you & yours

818 posted on 07/07/2010 12:41:00 PM PDT by Reno232
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